Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-26 Thread Tim McNamara
On 24 October 2010 17:42, David Farning dfarn...@ubuntu.com wrote: Sugar Labs lost its lead developer. [...] At the risk of angering pretty much everybody Sugar Labs has three fundamental problems. Sugar Labs is optimistic to the point of untruthfulness. Sugar Labs is lead by veto

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-26 Thread Tim McNamara
Please excuse my rash pushing of the 'send' button: On 26 October 2010 23:42, Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz wrote: *Issue 2*: veto We have a small cadre of experienced and highly able contributors. This means that an expectation of very high-quality will become established as the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-24 Thread Bastien
Hi David, I think everyone agrees that Tomeu stepping down as a maintainer is a big loss. I join my voice to those who already expressed this and my thanks to Tomeu for all the crazy work he's been achieving here - and it's not only lines of code, it's also a general welcoming and helping

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-24 Thread David Farning
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Bastien bastien.gue...@wikimedia.fr wrote: Hi David, I think everyone agrees that Tomeu stepping down as a maintainer is a big loss.  I join my voice to those who already expressed this and my thanks to Tomeu for all the crazy work he's been achieving here -

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-24 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from David Farning's message of Sun Oct 24 06:42:24 +0200 2010: Sugar Labs lost its lead developer. It is unfortunate that no-one has done a public review of the reasons and implications of Tomeu quiting. Tomeu's leaving is significant enough that Sugar Labs should take a hard look

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-24 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Bastien's message of Sun Oct 24 14:55:30 +0200 2010: There is something I miss in the list of teams/projects for people persons: community management. This is very different from marketing and outreach. Maybe this project/role could be advertized somewhere on the wiki.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 06:21:38PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from David Farning's message of Sun Oct 24 06:42:24 +0200 2010: Sugar Labs lost its lead developer. It is unfortunate that no-one has done a public review of the reasons and implications of Tomeu quiting. Tomeu's leaving

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-24 Thread Bastien
Hi Sasha, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org writes: Excerpts from Bastien's message of Sun Oct 24 14:55:30 +0200 2010: There is something I miss in the list of teams/projects for people persons: community management. This is very different from marketing and outreach. Maybe

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-24 Thread David Farning
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from David Farning's message of Sun Oct 24 06:42:24 +0200 2010: There is the lack of accountability to stakeholders. I'm not even sure what that phrase means in the context of an Open Source

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-24 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from David Farning's message of Sun Oct 24 19:55:39 +0200 2010: On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from David Farning's message of Sun Oct 24 06:42:24 +0200 2010: There is the lack of accountability to stakeholders.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-24 Thread Daniel Drake
On 24 October 2010 05:42, David Farning dfarn...@ubuntu.com wrote: Sugar Labs lost its lead developer.  It is unfortunate that no-one has done a public review of the reasons and implications of Tomeu quiting.  Tomeu's leaving is significant enough that Sugar Labs should take a hard look at

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-24 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Bastien's message of Sun Oct 24 19:51:08 +0200 2010: If that can help, I just posted a call for help in this area on the french mailing list. Don't expect miracles though, as we are a small busy team as well :/ But making such a call public is a first step. Great, thanks!

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-24 Thread James Cameron
Fascinating fragment ... On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:42:24PM -0500, David Farning wrote: Sugar Labs is lead by veto rather than vision. A _symptom_ is the development process. It it easy to have fix commited to Fedora or OLPC. It is hard to have a fix commited to Sugar Labs. When someone

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-23 Thread David Farning
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi, for personal reasons have to drastically reduce my involvement in the project. Will be leaving maintenance of my modules and unsubscribing from the mailing lists. My place on the board is vacant from now on and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-19 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 10/19/2010 06:50 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Hi, for personal reasons have to drastically reduce my involvement in the project. Will be leaving maintenance of my modules and unsubscribing from the mailing lists. My place on the board is vacant from now on and I'll be adding to the wiki the new

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-19 Thread James Simmons
Tomeu, Let me join the chorus of thank-yous. You helped me a great deal when I was learning how to make Sugar activities, and if my book on the subject is any good at all you deserve a large portion of the credit. Good luck in all your future endeavors. Jame Simmons

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-19 Thread James Cameron
Sugar without Tomeu? What is wrong with the world. We'll miss you. -- James Cameron ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] stepping down as maintainer

2010-10-19 Thread Gary Martin
Hi Tomeu, On 19 Oct 2010, at 17:50, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi, for personal reasons have to drastically reduce my involvement in the project. Will be leaving maintenance of my modules and unsubscribing from the mailing lists. My place on the board is vacant from now on