Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-03 Thread Manuel Quiñones
Thanks a lot Jerry and Gonzalo, 2013/9/2 Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org: Yes, you are right about the schedule. My comment was based in my perception (can be wrong) of the work in the last weeks. Following the pull requests, most of the work is related to web, only a few were related to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Hello, 0.99.3 is due tomorrow and with it the code freeze. We need to decide what to do. I propose we don't freeze and instead we keep releasing 0.99.x every four weeks, until we feel we have done enough testing and bug fixing. This is not what you are supposed to do with time based releases but

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Release 0.99.3 as is is good, because we will have rpms and that should facilitate testing. I prefer we try hard to follow the schedule, remember usually is aligned with Fedora and other projects. Gonzalo On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, 0.99.3

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Daniel Narvaez
To be clear, are you saying we should code freeze tomorrow? I couldn't find a definition of the freeze in the wiki but the GNOME one seems accurate. Hard Code Freeze This is a late freeze to avoids sudden last-minute accidents which could risk the stability that should have been reached at this

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Yes. Only fixes allowed, we can discuss if double review is needed or not. Gonzalo On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, are you saying we should code freeze tomorrow? I couldn't find a definition of the freeze in the wiki but the GNOME one

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Hi, hard code freeze is way more strict than bug fixes only, that's more a feature freeze. In code freeze only very critical stuff is supposed to land. The double approval is in addition to the review, to ensure only essential fixes lands. Just want to be clear what we would be buying into :)

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
I think we didn't had a bug fixes only stage yet on 0.100 cycle, then does not have too much sense jump to regressions only, right? Gonzalo On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, hard code freeze is way more strict than bug fixes only, that's more a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 2 September 2013 20:52, Jerry Vonau je...@laptop.org.au wrote: On 2 September 2013 13:38, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, are you saying we should code freeze tomorrow? I couldn't find a definition of the freeze in the wiki but the GNOME one seems accurate. Hard

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Daniel Drake
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: I propose we don't freeze and instead we keep releasing 0.99.x every four weeks, until we feel we have done enough testing and bug fixing. This is not what you are supposed to do with time based releases but I'd rather

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Daniel Narvaez
We have been in feature freeze, which seems the closest to what you call bug fixes only, since 31 July. (I would not define hard code freeze as regressions only, even though being a regression is of course part of what needs to be considered when deciding if landing a change or not). On 2

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 2 September 2013 21:00, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: I propose we don't freeze and instead we keep releasing 0.99.x every four weeks, until we feel we have done enough testing and bug fixing. This is not

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Chris Leonard
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, are you saying we should code freeze tomorrow? I couldn't find a definition of the freeze in the wiki but the GNOME one seems accurate. Hard Code Freeze This is a late freeze to avoids sudden last-minute

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Manuel Quiñones
2013/9/2 Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com: On 2 September 2013 21:00, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: I propose we don't freeze and instead we keep releasing 0.99.x every four weeks, until we feel we have

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 04:36:31PM -0300, Manuel Quiñones wrote: I agree. We should delay the hard freeze for 4 weeks and hope that by that time we get some testing and bugfixing. How can I test on an XO? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Manuel Quiñones
2013/9/2 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org: On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 04:36:31PM -0300, Manuel Quiñones wrote: I agree. We should delay the hard freeze for 4 weeks and hope that by that time we get some testing and bugfixing. How can I test on an XO? That's the question, James. We don't have

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 09:09:09PM -0300, Manuel Quiñones wrote: 2013/9/2 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org: On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 04:36:31PM -0300, Manuel Quiñones wrote: I agree. We should delay the hard freeze for 4 weeks and hope that by that time we get some testing and bugfixing.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Jerry Vonau
On 2 September 2013 19:20, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 09:09:09PM -0300, Manuel Quiñones wrote: 2013/9/2 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org: On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 04:36:31PM -0300, Manuel Quiñones wrote: I agree. We should delay the hard freeze for 4

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Jerry Vonau
On Mon, 2013-09-02 at 19:37 -0500, Jerry Vonau wrote: On 2 September 2013 19:20, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 09:09:09PM -0300, Manuel Quiñones wrote: 2013/9/2 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org: On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
A few notes about the rpms Jerry shared: * While is based on 0.100, have a few patches needed by AU, we didn't have time to upstream. * The patches are applied on the rpms, to make clear the separation of the changes. * specs and patches are here: https://github.com/godiard/au1b_rpms We don't

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Yes, you are right about the schedule. My comment was based in my perception (can be wrong) of the work in the last weeks. Following the pull requests, most of the work is related to web, only a few were related to bugs. Part of the problem, like other said, is actually we don't have images

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 07:37:17PM -0500, Jerry Vonau wrote: We have some rpms that are testable: http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/AU1B/ AU1B_4.zip Thanks, these work fine for me. I've already been able to raise a bug with journal backup. http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4616 (Background

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-09-02 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Thanks! Gonzalo On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:03 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 07:37:17PM -0500, Jerry Vonau wrote: We have some rpms that are testable: http://dev.laptop.org/~gonzalo/AU1B/ AU1B_4.zip Thanks, these work fine for me. I've already been able to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-08-29 Thread Thomas Gilliard
On 08/28/2013 11:03 AM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: I agree in the need of testing. Testing is more difficult this cycle because: * We have less developers working. * We don't have the images we usually used to test on our main hardware platform (XO*) yet. I don't know if any test is done now on

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-08-29 Thread Thomas Gilliard
On 08/29/2013 05:35 AM, Thomas Gilliard wrote: On 08/28/2013 11:03 AM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: I agree in the need of testing. Testing is more difficult this cycle because: * We have less developers working. * We don't have the images we usually used to test on our main hardware platform (XO*)

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-08-29 Thread Thomas Gilliard
On 08/29/2013 06:01 AM, Thomas Gilliard wrote: On 08/29/2013 05:35 AM, Thomas Gilliard wrote: On 08/28/2013 11:03 AM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: I agree in the need of testing. Testing is more difficult this cycle because: * We have less developers working. * We don't have the images we usually

[Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-08-28 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Hello, code freeze is due on 4 September. We have seven days left and I don't think we are going to be ready, there are still 250 bugs to triage, 11 must fix already tagged, very little testing done judging from the number of incoming bug reports and a not ready feeling when running master. The

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-08-28 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, code freeze is due on 4 September. We have seven days left and I don't think we are going to be ready, there are still 250 bugs to triage, 11 must fix already tagged, very little testing done judging from the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-08-28 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On Wednesday, 28 August 2013, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: From my part, I am building rpms for Australia, to use sugar 0.100 on a F18 image. We will do testing on that, but not in the web part, at least not now, due to missing dependencies. I wonder if anyone is planning a F19/F20 image for the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Are we ready for code freeze?

2013-08-28 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, 28 August 2013, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: From my part, I am building rpms for Australia, to use sugar 0.100 on a F18 image. We will do testing on that, but not in the web part, at least not now, due to