Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Hey Sam, I checked your PR but I think I found a simpler way [1] to handle this. The logic goes like this: 1. assume you have tubes. 2. if everything goes OK, then you do have tubes. 3. but, if tubes creation fails, and the reason is lack of support, then you don't have tubes (sort of

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 02:37:20PM -0300, Martin Abente wrote: > @Sam: > > • Using GSettings is definitely a decent workaround instead of going for > detection, I checked your PR and I will send some comments, but we will > have to push it for as a feature freeze exception / Bug Fix. >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

*@Sam:* - Using GSettings is definitely a decent workaround instead of going for detection, I checked your PR and I will send some comments, but we will have to push it for as a feature freeze exception / Bug Fix. - I don't agree we should add it to the toolkit yet, still too early to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Hi, Jonas Yet more examples of this broken software problem. I have scripts which provide the 'bad and ugly' codecs for GStreamer 0.10 which work very well. I have had to regress to Jukebox 26 in order for this to work, but it performs well. I have been unable to find where these codecs go

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Hi, Sam Thanks. That sounds like enough to get me going. Sadly, this also means porting to gtk3 but it will need to be done anyway. Yours, Tony On 12/26/2015 11:57 AM, Sam P. wrote: Hi Tony, Sorry that I was a bit vague in the previous email. The collab wrapper is not yet merged into

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Hi Gonzalo, I agree with your perspective that we do need to make the wrapper the best it can be before locking ourselves into it. That is a good plan. I'm not sure what you mean about adding a parameter to the setup method. Could you please elaborate? Thanks, Sam On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Hi Tony, Sorry that I was a bit vague in the previous email. The collab wrapper is not yet merged into sugar-toolkit-gtk3, however can be used by activities by copying a script and including it in their activity. The collabwrapper script is available here:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Hi James, On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 2:28 PM, James Cameron wrote: > Thanks all for the thread and replies. > > I'm not sure I understand the situation fully yet, but I'll make some > comments regardless. Hopefully any disconnect between my comments and > your understanding will

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Quoting Tony Anderson (2015-12-26 15:31:16) > Thanks. That sounds like enough to get me going. Sadly, this also > means porting to gtk3 but it will need to be done anyway. Thanks - a hassle indeed, but urgently needed not only for collaboration: * GStreamer 0.10 (tied to GTK+ 2.x) is

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Tony, I have been lurking on these mailing lists for the past few years but haven't made any contribution to Sugar in that time. You may recall that I wrote a couple of FLOSS manuals for OLPC, and strangely enough that led me away from the project, because it convinced me I had a future as an

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

IMHO, the bottom line is that we are currently dependent on a protocol that has been deprecated for 7+ years. It will undoubtedly become more and more difficult to maintain as time goes on. We need to be focused on the things that are core to our mission and that means letting others, ie. the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

[dropping Cc's, assuming all are subscribed to -devel] Quoting James Cameron (2015-12-26 08:58:13) > Pull request 282 mentions 0.17.25, but of what package? When did the > Tubes API get removed from the Telepathy packages? Yes, for Fedora it > was 22, but we care about other downstreams.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Quoting James Cameron (2015-12-26 10:07:11) > On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 09:52:56AM +0530, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> telepathy-gabble is where Tubes interface was dropped. > > Thanks! > > I wasn't sure it was, because Gabble is only used when operating with > Jabber/XMPP servers, and we also use

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Hi Sam, I am still not clear on the status. I have a long-dormant activity 'bingo' which depends on the caller sending 'bingo cards', receiving a 'bingo call', and being able to check the card via collaboration. In developing those features, should I use the collab wrapper? Is it available

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Hi Martin, I like your proposal of use the wrapper in the activities by at least one cycle, before include it in the toolkit. In our experience, once the code is included in the toolkit, is difficult make changes without breaking activities in unexpected ways. I didn't have time to make tests with

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 09:52:56AM +0530, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > [dropping Cc's, assuming all are subscribed to -devel] > > Quoting James Cameron (2015-12-26 08:58:13) > > Pull request 282 mentions 0.17.25, but of what package? When did the > > Tubes API get removed from the Telepathy

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Hi, Sam Thanks for your response. I used 'deliberate' to express my frustration. From the wiki pages, I assume that the collaboration wrapper is supported in 0.106 although activities that use it must port to sugar3. The current version of chat is using this and can act as a tutorial

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Hi Martin, On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 6:52 AM, Martin Abente < martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have been reviewing the current state of the collaboration proposals and > I am afraid it is still too early for merging it. We need to explore more > use cases, and this

[Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Hello everyone, I have been reviewing the current state of the collaboration proposals and I am afraid it is still too early for merging it. We need to explore more use cases, and this will only happens when we start porting more Activities that actually use TUBES. Therefore, i want to share some

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Hi, It would really be helpful for us to get an explanation when working activities are deliberately broken ('deprecated') as in this case. What is the new means to implement collaboration? What advantage does it offer to the 'tubes' method we have been using from the beginning? Is this

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

Hi Tony, On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Tony Anderson wrote: > Hi, > > It would really be helpful for us to get an explanation when working > activities are deliberately broken ('deprecated') as in this case. What is > the new means to implement collaboration? What