Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 09:51, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:10 AM, James Cameron wrote: >> By branching at the 0.82 point as deployed, determining from evidence > > Good theoretical re-statement. You post may clarify things for other > readers -- as for me, I know very well

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread James Cameron
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:32:49PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:26, James Cameron wrote: > > And just a question on Ivan's try/except patch that is so effective in > > 0.82 in allowing a child to continue using the system with a fresh > > journal ... would it be true to

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM, James Cameron wrote: > And just a question on Ivan's try/except patch that is so effective in > 0.82 in allowing a child to continue using the system with a fresh > journal ... would it be true to say that this also hides the cause of > the failure to open the jou

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:26, James Cameron wrote: > And just a question on Ivan's try/except patch that is so effective in > 0.82 in allowing a child to continue using the system with a fresh > journal ... would it be true to say that this also hides the cause of > the failure to open the journa

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread James Cameron
And just a question on Ivan's try/except patch that is so effective in 0.82 in allowing a child to continue using the system with a fresh journal ... would it be true to say that this also hides the cause of the failure to open the journal, and so any system with a renamed datastore would not have

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread James Cameron
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:47:59AM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: > We can offer the patch to deployers, and I can integrate it into a > build. But our reach is limited there. A user-deployable "repair" tool > is a lot more effective. Hmm. Yes, I can see that it would be, given the deployment cons

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread Aleksey Lim
Hi all, Sorry for not being in the thread, its 0.86 release time.. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:37:04AM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Welcome new maintainer! > > I am currently doing a bit of work with LatAm deployments, so I do > have some notes related to DS. You may be aware of these issues,

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 02:10, James Cameron wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 04:51:47PM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: >> So I am strictly looking forward -- and wondering if we can help these >> users of 0.82 now. > > By branching at the 0.82 point as deployed, determining from evidence > (those

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > I agree that an activity for repairing or recovering the DS would be > quite beneficial, we'd need to add an exception for Rainbow though. So Rainbow would prevent a regular activity from reading .sugar? I am not familiar with how one goes a

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 16:51, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: >> FWIW, your three major points were fixed way back by Tomeu's 0.84 data-store >> re-write to make for robustness. Actually I'm fairly sure it was these >> kind'a reports that prompted T

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:37, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Welcome new maintainer! > > I am currently doing a bit of work with LatAm deployments, so I do > have some notes related to DS. You may be aware of these issues, of > course. > >  - "Dataloss" on startup. We are hearing of some issues in the

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:15:17AM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:58 AM, James Cameron wrote: > > I can't find any evidence that this logic has been retained ... looked > > in git://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar/mainline.git and > > git://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar-datastore/mai

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:58 AM, James Cameron wrote: > I can't find any evidence that this logic has been retained ... looked > in git://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar/mainline.git and > git://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar-datastore/mainline.git Well, this sounds promising-- but I am definitely not familiar

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread James Cameron
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 09:51:58AM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: > And here you can find "steps to repro" and a workaround if you want to > see it in action: > > http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7719 Thanks. I shall look there for an exception. > As for the code that controls this? > in shell/vie

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:10 AM, James Cameron wrote: > By branching at the 0.82 point as deployed, determining from evidence Good theoretical re-statement. You post may clarify things for other readers -- as for me, I know very well what I am requesting. And I do respect that it is not easy. It

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-17 Thread James Cameron
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 04:51:47PM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: > So I am strictly looking forward -- and wondering if we can help these > users of 0.82 now. By branching at the 0.82 point as deployed, determining from evidence (those renamed DS directories you have been unable to obtain) what th

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > FWIW, your three major points were fixed way back by Tomeu's 0.84 data-store > re-write to make for robustness. Actually I'm fairly sure it was these > kind'a reports that prompted Tomeu to make that fine effort. Prior to this > (0.82) I had

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-17 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Martin, FWIW, your three major points were fixed way back by Tomeu's 0.84 data- store re-write to make for robustness. Actually I'm fairly sure it was these kind'a reports that prompted Tomeu to make that fine effort. Prior to this (0.82) I had seen occasional datastore 'loss', sometime

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
Welcome new maintainer! I am currently doing a bit of work with LatAm deployments, so I do have some notes related to DS. You may be aware of these issues, of course. - "Dataloss" on startup. We are hearing of some issues in the field with "dataloss" -- not real dataloss but if there is anything

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-17 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 03:55:07PM -0500, David Farning wrote: Great job and congrats on handing off the modules and a heartfelt thanks to alsroot and Benjamin Berg for pick them up. +1 CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signat

Re: [Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-16 Thread David Farning
Great job and congrats on handing off the modules and a heartfelt thanks to alsroot and Benjamin Berg for pick them up. david On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > Hi, > > the other day I passed maintenance of the Journal and the Datastore to > Aleksey, who has been doing alrea

[Sugar-devel] new journal and datastore maintainer

2009-09-16 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, the other day I passed maintenance of the Journal and the Datastore to Aleksey, who has been doing already a great job at helping with new features, bug fixes, design discussions and all the rest of what makes a maintainer. But I would like to warn that Aleksey codes very fast and lives very