Re: Visibly Moving Gnomon Shadows

2013-08-07 Thread Roger Bailey
I am reminded of Galileo's supposed recant, the mutter translated as "and yet it moves". Yes it does and it can be observed in specific circumstances. When we setting the Ottoman sundial in St Louis I sensed I could see the shadow move as we tracked the shadow against the scale. At the NASS conf

RE: Visibly Moving Gnomon Shadows

2013-08-07 Thread Dave Bell
I’m a little surprised at the hair-splitting responses regarding extreme precision (Kevin was specifying 0.05 in/sec) and surface characteristics, all of which are true, but missed the simple point of how large would the dial have to be. For a very rough first approximation, we know the shadow

Re: Visibly Moving Gnomon Shadows

2013-08-07 Thread Thibaud Taudin Chabot
Seeing a movement of the shadow is also dependent on the surface on which you see the shadow. If this surface is very even colored/structured it will be more difficult to see a movement then when the surface has such a structure (like fine grain) that it is easy easier to see the movement.. T

Re: Visibly Moving Gnomon Shadows

2013-08-07 Thread JOHN DAVIS
Hi Kevin (and Peter R et al), I saw your SML post and will watch with interest what responses it gets. One point, though: the value of 1.27 mm/sec as the lower limit of perception of movement is impossibly precise! I suggest that you would get +/-50% variation between different observers. Also,