RE: Time problem

2020-06-29 Thread Ross Sinclair Caldwell
Yes, but I don't know if any estimation of refraction or diameter would account for 20 minutes! In any case, the real time is scarcely relevant - they only wanted to say that it was shortly after sunrise, sufficiently so that the Sun was estimated to be clear of the horizon. The clock they

Re: Time problem

2020-06-29 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Okay, but there's the inaccuracy of the clocks in those days, and the importance of that would depend on how they determined Sunrise. I guess they set the clocks by sundial or noon-mark, but, as you said, it depends on how often they set them. Anyway, the difference between the NOAA Sunrise-time,

RE: Time problem

2020-06-29 Thread Ross Sinclair Caldwell
Hi Michael, Also, when they said that he was born a certain number of minutes after Sunrise, how did they determine that? By judging when it seemed to be Sunrise, when the Sun appeared over the trees, mountains or buildings, or by calculating Sunrise-time based on a 14th century estimate of

Re: Time problem

2020-06-29 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Of course, even if the Earth's orbit didn't change, no civil calendar keeps a constant relation between date and ecliptic-longitude. So you'd have to determine the calendar's date-ecliptic-longitude displacement for the date of interest. . But the Earth's orbit does change. Our orbit's

Re: Time problem

2020-06-29 Thread Hank de Wit
Hi Ross, Are you making Time Zone adjustments?. When I start Stellarium, by default it uses my own time zone even if I change location. I have to go to the Plugins and explicitly set a time zone. I imagine you should be working in the local time of Milan, which I estimated roughly at (9.2

Time problem

2020-06-29 Thread Ross Sinclair Caldwell
Hi diallists, This is not a sundial problem, but a time discrepancy I don't understand between NOAA sunrise calculations and the results of two reliable planetarium programs, Stellarium and YourSky (part of HomePlanet). http://stellarium.org/ https://www.fourmilab.ch/yoursky/