Re: The duration of the year

2017-02-23 Thread Douglas Bateman
The answer is yes, but mainly the esoteric and academic applications to precision pendulum clocks (although Allan Variance came out of quartz oscillator analysis). Electronic measuring and recording methods are necessary. In my case I made and used an electronic stopwatch method, with radio tim

Re: The duration of the year

2017-02-22 Thread Robert Kellogg
On 2/22/2017 6:01 AM, sundial-requ...@uni-koeln.de wrote: Do horologists worry about Allan Variance? I do --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial

Re: The duration of the year

2017-02-21 Thread Douglas Bateman
Many thanks to those who have answered my questions. Geoffrey Thurston’s summary is clear and accords with the rudimentary, but effective, instrumental approach advocated by Lancelot Hogben in his epic book, Science for the Citizen. Mike Shaw has added succinct advice, and the reason for choos

Re: The duration of the year

2017-02-21 Thread Tony Finch
Frank King wrote: > > I have often pondered an even more primitive question: I am dumped on a > desert island and I want to count the days since I arrived. What > discipline should I follow? > > I could, of course, cut a notch in a stick every morning when I first > wake up but what happens when o

Re: The duration of the year

2017-02-21 Thread Frank King
Dear Doug, The answers to your first question about noting seasonal drift 1000 years ago have all missed something crucial... The astronomical comments have been very sound but what is missing is any account of just how you would maintain your records? These days you could buy a desk-top diary a

Re: The duration of the year

2017-02-21 Thread jmikeshaw
and if your clock is only accurate to about 1 second per day you measure at day 0 then at day 100, not consecutive nights. Mike Shaw--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial

Re: The duration of the year

2017-02-20 Thread Mike Shaw
Doug, I didn’t answer your second question: "Assuming that in 1850s I had access to a good transit telescope, and a reasonable clock (daily errors about 1 second a day), how would I refine the quarter of a day into several decimal places?” The formula is: Year = (1 day – transit time differenc

Re: The duration of the year

2017-02-19 Thread jmikeshaw
Doug, If you lived 1000 years ago, in temperate latitudes, you would see the sunrise and sunset azimuths move closer together as the winter solstice approached. They would then stop and move apart again. Knowing nothing about why this happened, you would worry in case one year they kept goin

Re: The duration of the year

2017-02-19 Thread Geoff Thurston
Doug, 1. You could do what the Egyptians and the Greeks did 1500 years earlier. Use a mural quadrant in the meridian to establish the greatest and least altitude of the noon sun ( from this you could calculate the orbital inclination and your latitude) and mark the mid altitude. You t

Re: The duration of the year

2017-02-18 Thread Douglas Bateman
Yes – the drift, and how would I notice it. What reference points in the sky (stars) would I look for to define the ‘orbital’ year? > On 18 Feb 2017, at 18:16, Steve Lelievre > wrote: > > On 2017-02-18 10:07 AM, Douglas Bateman wrote: >> Given that this group has experts on the calendar and t

Re: The duration of the year

2017-02-18 Thread Steve Lelievre
On 2017-02-18 10:07 AM, Douglas Bateman wrote: Given that this group has experts on the calendar and the earth’s orbit, I have a couple of questions. 1. Assuming that I was living a 1000 years ago, and had unlimited time watching the sun and stars (and *without prior knowledge*) how would I n

The duration of the year

2017-02-18 Thread Douglas Bateman
Given that this group has experts on the calendar and the earth’s orbit, I have a couple of questions. 1. Assuming that I was living a 1000 years ago, and had unlimited time watching the sun and stars (and without prior knowledge) how would I notice that each year was growing by about a quarter