well, there's probably a lot of people finding _your_ message both
unneccessary and offensive!
- you hijackd a thread completely unrelated to vent your individual
frustration insdtead of respecting the request of the op
- you tried to force your personal opinion about the state of om on
eve
> http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
isn't there an equivalent for smart answers?
most of the 12 mails were caused by people just throwing in their 2c w/o
requesting further information.
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> Now even I am not able to ssh on FR via my laptop. So I can not run any
> of the command on FR.
remove the battery, wait a few minutes, put it back in and restart.
what happens?
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so far your descriptions are not really helpful.
you see the openmoko logo but then nothing happens?
then there's neither a problem with the display nor the backlight, but
with your X.
please describe _exactly_ what happens from powering on the freerunner
until the moment the problem occurs a
from your description, it could be the connector or cable connecting
display and board.
you could try to open the fr and check, if the connector still sits firmly.
btw: i guess it's better to write to commun...@om, no idea how many people
still read supp...@om.
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> Thanks for your thoughts. The problem with using Qi is that it can only
> go into NAND which still means you have to push the Aux button when you
> boot (and a 2nd time if there are file check errors).
huh? where did you get that from?
qi tries to boot all sd partitions and falls back to nand i
> after few tries zhone eventually starts working.
known issue.
maybe related to dbus timeouts, very likely related to fso needing some
time to settle after start.
neil jerram posted recently a few patches to remedy that at least in zhone
(running through a loop until successful), somewhat wor
> i still have 1 qustion how can i write files to FR throw the ssh
> what are the commands?
> tnx again for your time
please, always quote only the really necessary parts!
as for writing files: depends on your definition of writing.
once you are via ssh on the fr, you can use vim, nano, emacs, w
> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:14:2a:a9:4d:fb
> inet addr:192.168.0.200 Bcast:192.168.0.255
here's something wrong already.
a) eth0 should not have address 192.168.0.200 (for the purpose of easy
access to the fr, that is) and
b) specifically not, when everything is disconn
ifdown usb0
ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
route add -host 192.168.0.202 dev usb0
for ubuntu, prefix every line with sudo.
the wiki page lists _all_ of the above!
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking
please a) read the wiki and b) post useful and complete error m
tbh, i never really was happy mit nm or any "intelligent" automatism
trying to manage the connection to the fr.
nm usually is overcharged with the concept of _multiple_ network
interfaces being up and connected at the sam time and produces spretty
much a mess.
your best bet is to handle it b
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt
> Iface
> 192.168.0.202 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 0 0
> usb0
> 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0
> usb0
where does that come fro
well, let's start with the output of
netstat -rn
and then, check, if ssh is running at all on the freerunner -- i can't
imagine the fr to be without a terminal emulator, even out of the box.
last, but not least, check your firewall etc.
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:23:01 +0100, Iurii
wrote:
>
>
>
> Davide wrote:
>>
>> On Friday 20 November 2009 10:34:25 Iurii wrote:
>>>
>>> Then:
>>> ssh 192.168.0.200
>>> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Connection refused
>>
>> You're trying to ssh your own machine.
>> Default FR IP is 1
if your debian really is up to date, your frameworkd.conf isn't.
your description matches an issue i had with gsmwhatevermuxer instead of
fso-abyss. it might as well be related to using the deprecated ousaged
instead of the newer fso-usaged (both still the default afaik if not set
otherwise i
please, post your /etc/frameworkd.conf
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>>> I just wanted to ask you if things are ok re MP3 patents
>>> in the following scenario
>>
>> Given that you're interested in Free software, why
>> have anything to do with mp3? If you're ripping
>> a CD, use Ogg. If what you want exists on the web
>> as mp3 only, ask the person who provided it
>> an answer, so don't rely on anything you see here.
>
> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing_and_patent_issues
well, wikipedia is neither a trustworthy source, particularly with such an
issue.
the source refered to ("[42]") does not cite any kind of reliable
information, it only p
there are two possible explanations:
- you have to push in the headphone plug harder to actually connect --
hearing only in one earphone usually is a sign for that
- you needt to plug in _after_ establishing the call. not sure, how a) shr
handles that and b) if fso did fix it -- but with debian
>> r...@om-gta02 ~ $ fdisk /dev/mmcblk0
>>
>> Unable to open /dev/mmcblk0
>>
>
> The same just hit me when I installed SHR-U on my sd card (8gb
> kingston). It
> worked for a little while, and then I started getting I/O errors.
>
> Any hints on how to fix the partition table on the card, and what
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:09:25 +0200, Tim Sterk wrote:
>>> I've tried the image which is on the website:
>>> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz
>>>
>>> I've put it on my MicroSD card using the following instructions found
>>> on
>>> the openmoko
> I've tried the image which is on the website:
> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/flash-moko11_uSD-image.tar.gz
>
> I've put it on my MicroSD card using the following instructions found on
> the openmoko site:
> sudo dd if=flash-moko11-2.image of=/dev/mmcblk0
- did you try
> No flaming needed, this is the SUPPORT list. You know, newbies welcome?
which means: newbie == unable to read?
if you call requesting _usefull_ information instead of "it does not work"
flaming, so be it.
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> I've tried on different computersystems (all ubuntu 9.04).
> Tried using different MicroSD card.
> Tried different flash images and different distributions.
and i guess, you tried to tell us something?
what in "exactly" didn't you understand?
if you really want help, make it possible to help yo
> Thanks for your help,
any chance, you'd tell us, _what_ you do exactly?
from your description it is rather hard to infer your steps.
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> I think it's the original bootloader.
my shot in the dark would be, you've been bitten by the old sd-clock bug
(or whatever the official name is -- has been too long since).
afaik it has been fixed long ago, but who knows what may have triggered it
again? wouldn't hurt, at least, to check.
s
> I can't access my SD card.
kernel, distribution, bootloader, bootloader version?
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> Sorry, I should have mentioned that I have 2008.8. But plan to
> install SHR soon. I am having trouble connecting via ssh in Ubuntu
> 9.04. Not sure what the problems is. Things worked flawlessly in
> Ubuntu 8.04.
you don't need ssh to install 2009. just get the image and flash.
i don't thin
2009? isn't it fso based?
auto suspend should be triggered by a rule in
/etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml
i guess.
you would then need to disable that rule and either try
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.oeventsd /org/freesmartphone/Events
org.freesmartphone.Events.ReloadRules
or restart fso.
t
> off. I'm waiting on a new wall charger; if that doesn't work, I'll
> just get another battery.
simply usb is still sufficient, only it takes longer.
plug in, let it alone for the night and boot up next day.
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>> i say, the battery is flat -- your symptoms perfectly match.
>
>Except that the Freerunner runs fine from USB power alone.
my experience is otherwise -- but it has been a long time since i let the
fr run that low. maybe something crucial has changed since.
but if you mean "only usb, not
>> Okay, I don't have the wall charger
>
> What may work is this:
>
> - press and hold AUX
>
> - insert USB power (from a PC)
>
> - when the menu comes up, select Power off
>
> This should leave the PMU in charging mode.
hey! that's quite interesting. could someone put that into the wiki,
proba
i say, the battery is flat -- your symptoms perfectly match.
plug in the wallcharger, let it sit for a while (1h at least) and try
again.
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> have you got wicd installed? it's a replacement for the endlessly
> sucky network-manager (or something like that). it's a drop-in, no
> need to change any config, but it makes things so much easier, and
> it's in the ubuntu repos. i'd recommend that, and then come back if
> things aren't fixed.
> - to bood from the SD in QT, but it is failing also (trying to mount
> /var/something ) and stops
you could mount the sd card in your pc and modify the fstab of qt, to
mount only from sd.
besides that, i would have expected it to mount /var ... to tmpfs, not
nand (or any physical storage
> I suggest you all try the new navit
> (http://download.navit-project.org/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-svn-2308_armv4t.opk)
> it has a few improvements which MAKE IT USABLE WITH OSM (seems like it
> was already usable with map&guide reiseplanner):
> *added a 20 MB cache for the FR
> *there was a bug u
> I've still seen varying opinions on these mailing lists ranging from
> 'only
> 5% of people need the buzz fix' to 'everyone with an A5 or A6 needs the
> buzz
> fix'.
they're not really varying -- it's like learning to swim: if you are
absolutely sure, you'll never get into deep water, ther
> it seems that this path doesn't exist
>
> check that gps chip is online (echo 1 >
> /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron)
>
> the file neo1973-pm-gps.0 does not exist and cannot be created.
find /sys -name \*gps\*
>> When I start tango gps it says gp
> After all, they're not _that_ cheap,
> unless you happen to go to debconf.
huh?
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> Sure. I would only like to use it to track commitment. Because I don't
> want to buy the phone all by my self.
i don't know how cofundos works (needs some kind of registration probably,
which i am averse to), so no way i would register commitment there.
but when the share falls below 100€ i a
> freerunner, they're not optimized at all. Period.
that's certainly true -- but if you write your app for a commonly used
desktop pc it is rather a matter of effort/result relationship how much
energy one spends on optimization.
the estimated improvements are probably not worth mentioning, so
> Don't ask me what to do, I'm not a computer scientist. But I'm sure it
> would be possible.
well, maybe we all should chip in and give the navit author a freerunner,
to spur his motivation :-)
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> Hehe, do you want to imply that the FR will gain more horsepower over
not necessarily, it's an equation with two terms.
since the fr is not likely to change in that respect, navit in turn may --
and to be honest, i certainly hope it will, so far it is unusable as
navigation app on the fr and
> Just flashed the latest images and now I get this on boot:
>
> In: /var/cache: No space left on device
> (+ a few more, /var/lock among them)
>
> The phone boots up to om-gta02 login prompt. X doesn't start and usb
> networking doesn't work either.
>
> Tried to reformat uSD card, but this didn't
> First of all, I didn't succeed to make Wifi to work.
wouldn't that mean, it _is_ invulnerable? *scnr*
ok, first of all, please prefix the subjects of your mails _always_ with
the distribution concerned ([debian], [2008.x], [2009.x], ...).
secondly:
- what distribution are you using?
- what ke
a lot of searching later ...
> a) python is mostly broken -- as far as i can see, every python apps
> missed modules and is unable to import them.
> seems i can work around that by setting
> PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/:/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/gtk-2.0
> but i am not sure if i catc
hi,
yesterday i rebooted the fr again after several weeks and it immediately
turned out to be the wrong thing.
system is an up-to-date debain/unstable, most notably
- python2.5 2.5.4-1
- fso-frameworkd 0.8.4.9-20090130-3
Package: xserver-xorg
Version: 1:7.4+1
--
Package: xserver-xorg-core
Versi
ah, i think i understand -- it's textfield for the pin and the standard
(predictive) keyboard.
well, i don't thinkl that's a good team. passowrd and pin shoudl then have
their own keyboards.
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> Yes, and nothing happened.
> Then I tried to double-tap on the assembled digits, and that
> worked...
good lord, what usabilty genius created that?
to begin with, everybody aroudnyou can read your pin and then, you stay
there and tap the screen in the faint hope it might work somehow?
and, ju
> PS. All you people here, try not to bash others who are just trying to
> get help.
he wasn't trying to "get help". he was trying to vent his frustrations.
whether he's right or not -- this is not the place for such
non-constructive and useless rantings.
it does not help anyone and even if it
> of the pool. I put my phone (plus stand alone charger, gps antenna, 4G
> card w/ reader & spare battery) up on Ebay shortly after my group
> mailing a couple months ago.
so, what are you doing here anyway?
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>> afaik the package included a wired headset too.
>
> mine didn't, and afaik, the offered headset does not include a
> microphone.
the included has, see below.
>> resellers of the fr do imo offer the matching headset.
>
> ... w/o a microphone.
_with_ microphone, that's why it is called head_set
> external in-ear head set that also features a microphone be a good
> thing to have for this device.
afaik the package included a wired headset too.
> I mean, there is already a 2.5mm socket
> for an ear phone, but I know neither of such a head set (although there
> should be some in the market)
- configure zhone to write to a log file (see the first lines of
/usr/bin/zhone or the archives)
- look at X.org.log
- look at ~/.xsession-errors
do you experience similar issues with other apps too?
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just noticed that somehow my locales are gone.
when trying to recreate them, locale.gen ends up with
Generating locales (this might take a while)...
en_DK.UTF-8...cannot map archive header: Invalid argument
done
en_US.UTF-8...cannot map archive header: Invalid argument
done
Generation com
Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
please! do _NOT_ crosspost!
keep your postings to _ONE_ list only!
and those who answer: please, have a look at the reply-addresses and
remove unnecessary addresses.
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ACCESS has published an emulator, running palmos apps.
one of the bigger companies licensed it and distribute it with their
smartphones/tablets -- i am not sure, but it might be nokia and maemo.
anyway, i asked w long time ago if access is going to make that thing
avalibale to other linux base
> Does hwclock also show the correct date?
>> hwclock otoh shows the correct
>> time.
> Which kernel version are you
> running?
2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26
> At least the andy-tracking branch suffers from this bug:
i don't think it is the same bug.
i repeat again:
- hwclock always shows cor
> Looks like Zhone is simply redrawing time every minute - so wait few
> seconds to update that time ;)
looks like zhone is showing system time -- as i wrote, date shows the same
time, as opposed to hwclock. i don't think date takes a minute to redraw
the time ...
when i resume the fr, the time zhone shows (and the date command) is the
one when the fr suspended (ie, suspending the fr at 16:43 and resuming at
20:14, zhone and date bot show 16:43) -- hwclock otoh shows the correct
time.
i experienced it sometimes before, but the last two days it happens
> Something along these lines should work:
>
> - boot into NOR
> - connect to the u-boot console on ttyACM*
> - dynpart
> - dynenv set u-boot_env
> - saveenv
> - try to boot from NAND. If this doesn't work, boot again from NOR
> and DFU a new u-boot, then boot from NAND again
> - DFU kernel and r
> Maybe, but the actual error here is to do with the "format" of the jffs2
> partition. It can be broken in kernel but I think we would have heard
> about it before, 2.6.28 is "old" now in kernel terms.
well, so the best i can do is backup my data and recreate/reformat the
jiffs2 fs in flash --
> Dunno what you can do about it, but the guy who owns the process for
> generating the jffs2 image for Debian may get a hint from this to change
> how he generates it. jffs2 mount should be a few seconds not 120.
oh, that's no flashed image or so.
it is the jiffs the fr came with. months ago i d
> It seems that it takes a long long while to mount the jffs2 partition
> you have. The first thing "CPU 0 stall" is just a comment that you seem
> to be stuck for two minutes, then the second thing is a diagnostic
> talking about what you are stuck on. It seems you are stuck on mounting
> the jf
i just found out that 2.6.28 is avaliable in debian and immediately
upgraded -- booting now shows a lot of weird messages jiffs2 related,
from which i can't make anything.
the last three lines appeared while i was typing this mail ...
[21474540.115000] glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 2
> CHK include/linux/version.h
> /bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `('
> /bin/sh: -c: line 0: `echo 2.6.29-GTA02_(no-mokodev >
at a first glance. i'd say, the ( in the echo has to be escaped:
`echo 2.6.29-GTA02_\(no-mokodev >
but i don't know how the line continues ...
since opp 0.9-1 of debian does not work correctly with the current
available framework i downloaded panel-plugin-20090212_src.tar.bz2 and
built my own deb.
opp works again well so far, but i notice that at least the settings for
vibration at activation are ignored.
i just unchecked every box
> I'm using the FSO distro.
> Unfortunately the file "unsolicited.py" (which the link suggests to be
> edited) does not exist on my OM.
> In the tree
> /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py
> I get as far as /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages but
the state files should be identical for all distributions -- fetch either
an opkg or a deb and extract them.
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> What about eth0?
> inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8f:3391/64
same thing basically, though probably not assigned by avahi but something
random (do you use ipv6 at home? does the fr kernel support ipv6 at all?)
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> eth0:avah Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:12:CF:8F:33:91
> inet addr:169.254.6.255 Bcast:169.254.255.255
> It seems to look like it's connected
nope. it's not.
the ip address shown is a generic one, assigned by avahi in absence of a
real one.
i don't know, what you did to obtain an
> I couldn't find any either so I built my own with
>
> http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/navit.txt
well, at least the conversion to debian structure is an unnecessary step
-- the navit page links to two repos holding navit (for x86, though) with
diff/dsc/orig.tar.gz.
you need to modify the configu
>> shutdown now
>
> Figured it out. This should be:
>
> /etc/init.d/halt stop
or simply
shutdown -h now
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sounds like init 1 rather tahn shutdown.
as what user are you logged in when launching shutdown and what commando
exactly are you using?
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you're a better man, than i am, gunga din!
i'd say it fits he aux button contact.
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> emulator. I just want to copy some files to the openmoko on the emulator.
not sure about the emultor, though. but the fr itself has usually the ip
192.168.0.202 -- if you can ping that ip successfully, it should be ok.
the next step would be scp (secure copy). ip as above and the username is
> I suggest you (and everyone not using root)
> * copy (not move)
> /etc/dbus-1/system.d/frameworkd.conf
> to
> /etc/dbus-1/system.d/my-frameworkd.conf
> * remove every line that talks about " * change user="root" to your user in every case.
forgot to mention, i did that already but independ
i inserted
into /etc/dbus-1/system.conf as proposed in the zhone/gsm/dbus thread and
now it works again. any hints what exactly is happening?
this dbus rights management is far to complex for me ...
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thats what i get upon startup, it used to work before.
i am not sure if it is related to the dbus changes of debian -- and i am
not quite sure what to make from the "AccessDenied" and "uid=0" parts.
any hints?
ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.3:/org/smartphone/PIM/Log:
dbus.exception
the log is stored in a sqlite database, probably in /var/db/ or so (look
into the phonelog script, it's python and the path should be available
somewhere at top).
if the db does not exist, it will be recreated when the daemon starts. if
only phonelog (the gui) crashes it might suffice to remo
wolfgang,
could you put that in the wiki, together with the statements regarding the
buzz fix, for further reference? ("Allegations, Accusations and Rumors" or
so)
it would help a lot to stop needless complaints jamming the lists ...
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two things:
- what about those maemo guys? don't they create something like that
already? besides the gui the relevant parts should be in some kind of
library which should ne portable, shouldn't it?
- re evolution: the same thing applies. shouldn't be the relevant parts in
a library and thus
> About QT Extended. Anyone experiencing the Echo Bug?
>
> Is there a resolution to it without turning down the volume?
well, it's not a battery related question anymore ...
anyway. there have been postings over time and one just recently, taht
several people incorporated the nedded at command
> Just to be clear, I'm changing the gsmheadset.state file at
> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios
what happens, if you try to load it manually with alsactl (be aware that
fso loads the matching state file when the other side picks up! so, load,
when you are connected, not before)?
additionally, ma
with debian/fso when using suspend i get usually 48 to 72 hours standby
time (but i very seldom make or receive calls).
anyway, even qtopia should have suspend, or am i wrong here?
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> Does someone know of any large X-font, large enough to be readable on
> the neo 300 dpi screen?
???
nowadays fonts are ususally scalable.
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> Any progress/information on this? It's still an issue here...
did you check the state file currently used when this occurs?
i would imagine that simply the state change mechanism failed -- but also
it could be that sound itself broke down ...
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> uses a web-based username and password, without using my browser?
wget?
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here it is.
the code looks for addressbook.vcf in the user's $HOME and reads it in.
multiple numbers per contact are supported.
in /usr/bin/zhone search for
class pyphone_contacts(edje_group):
and find some lines below
def prepare( self ):
and modify like below (be aware of unintentional lineb
> The only thing that prevents me of using FSO is the import of phone
> numbers. I
> couldn't found a hint on how to import a vcf file.
so far there's no pim implemented -- zhone only reads from sim.
but it is really simple to patch zhone accordingly.
search the archives, i think i posted a patc
look for ding.
it's the same database as
http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/
and works either as cli program or with a simple x interface, i wouldn't
be surprised if it is in ångström already.
if not, it is available in debian.
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> not in there by default. As it's fundamental to a working phone it should
> be. And from the threads I;ve found it doesn't actually help everyone.
because the echo has many sources, the hw is only one -- the other is your
location. even with my old phone i had echos sometimes which had to be
> Here is the story. (Not to repeat!)
well, to rub salt in it ...
are you sure, mtd0 was the right device file to write to?
the kernel-ipk has a postinst script, that before flashing the new kernel
checks for the right device -- the same way allows for seeing what the
other devices are for (i
i too have stability issues with the ssh connection.
i had them with dropbear (2007.2 and debian) really bad, and still have
them with standard sshd on the fr, though far less frequent.
mostly i experience it when doing apt-operations which take a bit longer,
so i somehow suspect a timeout issu
> anything but person who calls me hear everything. What is strange: after
> dialing a number I can hear dialing tone - but when the call is answered
> the sound disappears.
the moment the call is answered the alsa state file changes, so you most
likely corrupted the gsmhandset.state file some
> Karthik:
>
> I think I probably speak for a reasonable portion of the community when
> I say this:
>
> Go buy an iphone. Put your FreeRunner on ebay. You'll like the iphone -
+1
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>> if you refuse to check archives and to read mails and instead insist on
>> perpetuating your misstatement, nobody can help you!
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> Then this link be updated. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03
i give up.
you are deliberatly confusing things just to prove your point, imo.
eot for me.
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> Try "netstat -tp" (on the host computer) to find the right PID to kill.
i have several ssh connections to the fr open -- just because they so
prone to freeze.
netstat does not give more information than ps. it's near to impossible to
determine which of the two, three, ... ssh connections to
i got this issue with 2007.2 back then and with debian now, both with
dropbear and fullblown openssh, so i suppose it's not a distribution
specific one.
after working a while via ssh, suddenly ssh freezes . obviously task
started end, but i can't do anything but killing the ssh client from my
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