Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-06 Thread John Leonard
One of the few times that I found surround in a film interesting and valid was in the original Tron, where it seemed to be perfectly acceptable and to enhance the on-screen visuals. These days, it’s just mainly annoying and almost always badly balanced, but we know that’s largely down to the lac

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-06 Thread Marc Lavallée
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 12:04:01 +, John Leonard wrote: > As for the up-mix to Dolby Atmos that happened for the second film, I > had no control over how the effects were sourced and the result in > the cinema was pretty terrible, and totally unnecessary. Rain makes a > noise when it hits a surfac

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-06 Thread Augustine Leudar
> Tel: 01332 593155 > > From: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of John Leonard [ > j...@johnleonard.uk] > Sent: 06 February 2016 12:04 > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channe

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-06 Thread Peter Lennox
...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of John Leonard [j...@johnleonard.uk] Sent: 06 February 2016 12:04 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always Having had two theatre shows filmed for cinema release, I haven’t had the greatest experience engaging

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-06 Thread John Leonard
Having had two theatre shows filmed for cinema release, I haven’t had the greatest experience engaging with the post production chaps: in both cases I’ve had to explain that when the cast members exit upstage, door slams shouldn’t be shoved in the rear speakers. Similarly, with a scene where all

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-06 Thread Augustine Leudar
hat the Puppy Bowl, which airs this weekend, is > being presented in VR. I suppose the opportunity for dramatic audio there > would be limited. :-) :-) > > - Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in > center channel,,, not always > From: "Augus

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-05 Thread mgraves
It's worth noting :-) that the Puppy Bowl, which airs this weekend, is being presented in VR. I suppose the opportunity for dramatic audio there would be limited. :-) :-) - Original Message - Subject: Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always From: "

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-05 Thread Peter Lennox
sound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Augustine Leudar [augustineleu...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 February 2016 22:48 To: s...@mchapman.com; Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always You set up the wager by knowing the right people, and by being in the r

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-05 Thread Augustine Leudar
You set up the wager by knowing the right people, and by being in the right place at the right time and undermining your competition ;) Part of the problem is that if the the audio gets too 3d or immersive then it destroy the illusion of the dated 2d screen. They certainly dont want people looking

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-05 Thread Michael Chapman
Peter Lennox wrote : > > maybe we should sponsor some kind of competition, to see how much > spatiallity can be got into (and out of) Dolby atmos. Sounds worth pursuing. . . Michael Don't want to dilute a good idea : but if the above 'flies' how about an annual prize for the film with the

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-05 Thread Peter Lennox
ary 2016 19:26 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always It depends on the mix engineer more than the potential of the system. They generally don't have a clue how to mix in surround even in high end post houses. On Friday, 5 Februa

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-05 Thread Augustine Leudar
famous for insisting on 100% location dialogue. This > >> makes panning dialogue almost impossible, > >> even if it would enhance the story. > >> > >> Best, Florian > >> > >> > >> > >> Vo

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-05 Thread Trond Lossius
t;> directors (Tarantino, e.g.). >> Robert Altman was famous for insisting on 100% location dialogue. This >> makes panning dialogue almost impossible, >> even if it would enhance the story. >> >> Best, Florian >> >> >> _________________

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-05 Thread jim moses
__ > Von: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu]" im Auftrag von > "Courville, Daniel [courville.dan...@uqam.ca] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 04. Februar 2016 18:15 > An: sursound@music.vt.edu > Betreff: Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,,

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-05 Thread florian.camerer
f it would enhance the story. Best, Florian Von: Sursound [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu]" im Auftrag von "Courville, Daniel [courville.dan...@uqam.ca] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 04. Februar 2016 18:15 An: sursound@music.vt.edu Betreff: Re: [Sursound

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-04 Thread Courville, Daniel
>>>And which director takes care about stereo compatible picture editing? > >Alfonso Cuaron is possibly one such director. Both Children of Men and >Gravity often panned the dialogue to match the position of the actor on >screen. It's very noticeable right at the start of Gravity; first you hear >

Re: [Sursound] Dialogue in center channel,,, not always

2016-02-03 Thread James Anthony Enda Bates
>>And which director takes care about stereo compatible picture editing? Alfonso Cuaron is possibly one such director. Both Children of Men and Gravity often panned the dialogue to match the position of the actor on screen. It's very noticeable right at the start of Gravity; first you hear George