[Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-24 Thread Junfeng Li
Hello, all friends, Is anyone working on binaural sound reproduction using loudspeakers? To reproduce 3D sound using loudspeaker, cross-talk cancellation is needed, as I know. Does anyone know which the most-advanced cross-talk cancellation technique/algorithm? Does anyone have a sample program (s

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-24 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
hi junfeng, On 02/24/2011 09:11 AM, Junfeng Li wrote: Hello, all friends, Is anyone working on binaural sound reproduction using loudspeakers? To reproduce 3D sound using loudspeaker, cross-talk cancellation is needed, as I know. > Does anyone know which the most-advanced cross-talk cancellat

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-24 Thread Danny McCarty
I just checked out the audio demo on your site. The bee and screaming girl are hilarious! On Feb 24, 2011, at 12:11 AM, Junfeng Li wrote: > Hello, all friends, > > Is anyone working on binaural sound reproduction using loudspeakers? > To reproduce 3D sound using loudspeaker, cross-talk cancella

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-24 Thread Robert Greene
I suppose that someone ought to mention-so I shall-- the Carver Sonic Hologram. You can still find the devices around(they were crosstalk cancellation processors). They work really well, if you do not mind sitting really still in one spot (which of course you are going to have to do for any such s

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-24 Thread D. Sen
Hi, There is Edgar Choueiri's work: http://www.princeton.edu/3D3A/BACCH_intro.html Deep On 02/24/2011 07:11 PM, Junfeng Li wrote: Hello, all friends, Is anyone working on binaural sound reproduction using loudspeakers? To reproduce 3D sound using loudspeaker, cross-talk cancellation is neede

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-24 Thread Michael Graves
I have a Carver C-9 Sonic Hologram unit that I bought on Ebay for about $80. It's a nice little demo piece, but limited in its application. That said, it's biggest problem is noise. Of course it's all analogue and built around -10 dbm levels. And all those capacitors are now very old. Has this s

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-24 Thread Peter Lennox
X.asp From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Graves [mgra...@mstvp.com] Sent: 24 February 2011 22:16 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction I have a Carve

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-24 Thread Josh Atkins
t: 01332 593155 > w: http://sparg.derby.ac.uk/SPARG/Staff_PLX.asp > > From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf > Of Michael Graves [mgra...@mstvp.com] > Sent: 24 February 2011 22:16 > To: Surround Sound discus

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-24 Thread Robert Greene
-boun...@music.vt.edu [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Graves [mgra...@mstvp.com] Sent: 24 February 2011 22:16 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction I have a Carver C-9 Sonic Hologram unit that I boug

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-24 Thread Robert Greene
3155 w: http://sparg.derby.ac.uk/SPARG/Staff_PLX.asp From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Graves [mgra...@mstvp.com] Sent: 24 February 2011 22:16 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] cr

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-24 Thread Marc Lavallée
half Of Michael Graves [mgra...@mstvp.com] Sent: 24 February 2011 > > 22:16 > > To: Surround Sound discussion group > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound > > reproduction > > > > I have a Carver C-9 Sonic Hologram unit that

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-24 Thread Junfeng Li
gt; w: http://sparg.derby.ac.uk/SPARG/Staff_PLX.asp > > > > > > From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On > > > Behalf Of Michael Graves [mgra...@mstvp.com] Sent: 24 February 2011 > > > 22:16 >

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-24 Thread Robert Greene
G/Staff_PLX.asp From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Graves [mgra...@mstvp.com] Sent: 24 February 2011 22:16 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction I have a C

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-24 Thread Robert Greene
PS Good and maybe even true story about summing series Supposedly someone asked J von Neumann about the following problem Suppose two trains start out from two stations that are 200 hundred miles apart. The trains are going 20 miles per hour and 30 miles per hour. A (speedy) bird leaves the fron

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-24 Thread Marc Lavallée
Le Vend. 25 Fév 2011 à 11:29:26 +0800, Junfeng Li a écrit : > I am starting to research on 3D audio reproduction using two/three > loudspeakers. > therefore, I began with build up a real-time 3D sound reproduction > system with two loudspeakers, based on binaural technique (HRTF, > BRIR, etc.). B

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-25 Thread Eero Aro
Robert Greene wrote: I think this idea was invented by Christian Huygens and Young and Fresnel. Once one knows that sound is a wave phenomenon, there is nothing left to invent--except the details of how the sound goes around the head. Practical implementation especially in the analogue world is

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-25 Thread Archontis Politis
Hi Junfeng, For theory and to understand the problem you should have a look at the references mentioned before, I attach the titles of some key studies: B. S. Atal and M. R. Schroeder (1962) "Apparent sound source translator", U.S. Patent, 3236949. P. Damaske (1971) "Head-Related Two-Channe

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-25 Thread Archontis Politis
I forgot to mention that is also practical if you keep your loudspeakers at close spacing (like 10deg) rather than a stereo setup, which gives you a better performance for a wider frequency range, a technique that Kirkeby and Nelson patented as the "stereo-dipole". Regards, Archontis On 2/25/

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-25 Thread Robert Greene
PLEASE NOTE that I predate Keele on this barrier idea by quite a few years. I was being modest and not mentioning myself because the idea of a physical barrier is so trivial that it ought to be beneath anyone's dignity to accept "credit" for it. But if credit were to be assigned(and in the

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-25 Thread Eero Aro
Robert Greene wrote: I suppose Keele's did not know about this Neither did I when I wrote the post. Thank you for correcting this, Robert. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-25 Thread Edgar Choueiri
I am delighted to see a lively discussion of crosstalk cancellation (XTC). My name is Edgar Choueiri and I am an academic researcher working on XTC for the past few years. I would like to add a few comments that may be relevant to the discussion. XTC has come a long way since the pioneering w

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-25 Thread Robert Greene
No personal offense taken. I am used to this misattribution! (one thing that occurs to me is that people maybe do not read The Absolute Sound so much as I might have thought. This is one reason why I started www.regonaudio.com though this particular item is not up there)/ I guess I am more amaze

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-25 Thread Alastair Moore
From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Graves [mgra...@mstvp.com] Sent: 24 February 2011 22:16 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction I have a Carver C-9 Sonic Holog

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-25 Thread Marc Lavallée
Le 25 février 2011 12:23:08, Edgar Choueiri a écrit : > p.s. Regarding the original question in this thread by Mr. Junfeng, I > should point out that BACCH filters (like other XTC IR filters) are > applied to the audio through VST or AU plugins that can do 2x2 (also > called "True Stereo") IR conv

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-26 Thread sursound
Hi list, An associate has told me of this discussion and suggested that I respond, so I have resubscribed to the list to do so. It seems that perhaps a refresher in the history of crosstalk cancellation and related techniques might be in order so here is my personal take. Apologies for the len

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-28 Thread Richard Lee
I had a page on ambisonia.com with a lot of what has been discussed and was trying to find it before Jerry, who provided much of the info, noticed our discourse. Unfortunately ambisonia.com seems to be unobtainium. I know this has been asked before but is ambisonia.com archived anywhere and wi

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-28 Thread sursound
Hi Richard. Good to hear from you. (More below.) On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Richard Lee wrote: > I had a page on ambisonia.com with a lot of what has been discussed and was > trying to find it before Jerry, who provided much of the info, noticed our > discourse. > > Unfortunately ambisonia.c

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-02-28 Thread Robert Greene
It is hardly heavy science, but people who have not tried it are always pleasantly surprised by the barrier results. Even if one does barrier in front only, and even a small one like holding a pillow to your nose edge on, the cleanliness of the sound is surprising. It is debatable whether the ste

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-03-13 Thread Ralph Glasgal
Sound discussion group Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 1:15:40 PM Subject: Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction I suppose that someone ought to mention-so I shall-- the Carver Sonic Hologram. You can still find the devices around(they were crosstalk cancell

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-03-13 Thread Ralph Glasgal
. Ralph Glasgal www.ambiophonics.org From: Michael Graves To: Surround Sound discussion group Sent: Thu, February 24, 2011 5:16:53 PM Subject: Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction I have a Carver C-9 Sonic Hologram unit that I

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-03-13 Thread Ralph Glasgal
SPARG/Staff_PLX.asp From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Graves [mgra...@mstvp.com] Sent: 24 February 2011 22:16 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in bin

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-03-13 Thread Robert Greene
Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction I suppose that someone ought to mention-so I shall-- the Carver Sonic Hologram. You can still find the devices around(they were crosstalk cancellation processors). They work really well, if you do not mind sitting really still i

Re: [Sursound] cross-talk cancellation used in binaural sound reproduction

2011-03-13 Thread umashankar mantravadi
gt; > cancel. The result was that the sweet area was small and many users could > > not > > really get it working with their speakers and rooms. The Lexicon Panorama > > mode > > had similar problems. > > > > Ralph Glasgal > > www.ambiophonics.org &g