Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-12 Thread Steve Racz
are hardwoods. I'm not sure about elm and cherry. > > Sounds to me like it'd be a good source. > > --Scott Burton > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason & Katie > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:5

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-12 Thread Chris Tan
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:53 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst I tried to make the stuff from cotton without the Nitrogen. I did the pyrolysis and the sulfonation for half the time. I guess I was too impatient. I tested it with WVO with 12% FFA.

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-12 Thread Jason & Katie
oak in fact does not split cleanly, and hickory is a real monster to split w/o a hydraulic ram splitter - Original Message - From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst > Ah, int

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-12 Thread Zeke Yewdall
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 6:57 AM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst > > > > Often all broadleaf trees are called hardwoods, and all conifers are > > called softwoods, but that's not really true. For example, aspens >

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-12 Thread A. Lawrence
From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst > Often all broadleaf trees are called hardwoods, and all conifers are > called softwoods, but that's not really true. For example, aspens

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-12 Thread Zeke Yewdall
bout elm and cherry. > > Sounds to me like it'd be a good source. > > --Scott Burton > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason & Katie > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:57 PM > To: Biofuel@sustainable

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-11 Thread Scott Burton
f Jason & Katie Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:57 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst my father is a forester, and is very much involved with resource management (hes the coordinator) at a forest preserve where i grew up, every three years a

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-11 Thread Jason & Katie
my father is a forester, and is very much involved with resource management (hes the coordinator) at a forest preserve where i grew up, every three years a logging company is called in to thin out a small section of the park, and these sections are rotated every cycle. my father collects the to

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-11 Thread Chris Tan
elists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst Hi Chris >The way I see it, this new catalyst isn't environment friendly at all. >So much energy is needed to pyrolyse sugar at 400 degrees centigrade for >15 hours. On top of that, you need to heat it at 150 degrees with 200mL &

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-11 Thread Keith Addison
ith 200mL of sulfuric acid you could have treated 200L of > >WVO. They say the new stuff is reusable but I'm pretty sure it is > >impossible to complete recover 100% of the catalyst after use. > > > >Best regards, > >Chris > > > >-Original Message

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-10 Thread JJJN
f Of JJJN >Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 2:37 PM >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst > >Mike, >I think you have hit it on the head, The sugar catalyst is plays the >role of the Acid in the two stage reaction but I don't think it will >

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-10 Thread Keith Addison
h of bokashi. Zeolyte has been made from rice husk. What does sulphuric acid do to clay? How would you get the sulphuric acid into a suitable medium without all that heat? Best Keith >Best regards, >Chris > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-10 Thread Chris Tan
er 100% of the catalyst after use. Best regards, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 2:37 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst Mike, I think you have hit it o

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-09 Thread Steve Racz
I hope it leads to some good results as well. The second article from the Iowa State shed much more light on it and I'm glad John found it and passed it on. I'm not trying to be negative. We need more Mr.Lins. I just wish that with his knowledge and training he could remain focused on research

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-07 Thread JJJN
Hello Steve, Yea it a bummer to see our think tanks beg, but the bottom line is if they start producing the catalyst for sale, chances are we can buy it, not so different than going to your local chemical supply and buying KOH eh? I think Mr Lin is trying to use his minute in the limelight to

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-07 Thread JJJN
Mike, I think you have hit it on the head, The sugar catalyst is plays the role of the Acid in the two stage reaction but I don't think it will complete a reaction all on its own. And the fact that it is reusable is on its own a benefit but unless times and temps are increase beyond the layman

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-07 Thread Mike McGinness
John, It says the "particles" are made of sand and calcium. The actual catalysts are attached to the surface of the particle and the active catalyst compound is not described (except to call them mixed oxides). I say "catalysts" because they mention having both acid and base catalysts on the same

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-07 Thread Steve Racz
Here is the article online (using snipurl!) http://snipurl.com/q4st If the catalyst is reusable, but only 20 times, what happens then? Can the catalyst be recycled? The details are vague but it seems that this is intentional as it seems Mr. Lin and his colleagues and especially the University

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-07 Thread JJJN
Thank you for the information John it is helpfull now to get reading. Best Jim John Beale wrote: >Looking in Prof Lin's publications, you can see a few references that >appear to be about the catalyst. > >If you are like me and were wondering about the chemistry behind it, >then perhaps chec

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-07 Thread John Beale
Searching the Des Moines Register website, I found this article: http://snipurl.com/q4m4 Searching the Iowa State University website, I found this article: http://snipurl.com/q4mj It says on the second article that the catalyst is made of calcium and sand, not sugar and sulfuric acid. -John

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-07 Thread John Beale
Looking in Prof Lin's publications, you can see a few references that appear to be about the catalyst. If you are like me and were wondering about the chemistry behind it, then perhaps check out this one: http://snipurl.com/q4no from Journal of Catalysis, 2003. (If you don't have a subscriptio

[Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-06 Thread JJJN
My mother in law sent me an article by Anne Fitzgerald writing for the (Des Moines?) Register. The article states that Victor Lin and two fellow University of Iowa Chemists have created a new catalyst that is reusable (20 times) and can be filtered. The catalyst will be quite a bit more expen