Kirk McLoren wrote:
Fuel cells of 50% efficiency can be purchased now.
Really? Where?
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What this amounts
ok doug,
thanks I think that makes a little more sense, I hadnt taken that into
account.
Andrew
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What this amounts to is a really lousy, incompetent attempt at a perpetual
motion machine.
You have to put in the energy to separate the
If that is the case, how do you explain a car that runs off of this? I have
seen video, and from what I understand it runs off only the normal battery
used to start the car and the hydrogen remove from sea water. I am not an
expert on this at all, but it definately interests me. By the way, where
: [Biofuel] Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis
What this amounts to is a really lousy, incompetent attempt at a perpetual
motion machine.
You have to put in the energy to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen,
then you get back the same energy when they recombine. There would be no
surplus
favourable. Good Luck !
Jan Warnqvist
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The literature for industrial chemistry has process efficiency as part of the
discussion.
An important part if you are in business.
As for video I can tell you and show you anything. You cant verify what is
shown.
Things that seem to be too good to be true usually are.
If they had a
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What this amounts to is a really lousy, incompetent attempt at a perpetual
motion machine.
You have to put in the energy to separate the hydrogen
Hydrogen does indeed have an excellent heat value for its weight/mass, but
not for its volume, and it is a gas down close to absolute zero. Hydrogen
storage is a considerable problem. To my mind it remains to be seen
whether hydrogen will ever be economic for the sole fuel of a vehicle.
I think
The problem is this.
The electrolyser is 70% efficient best case.
The engine is 30% efficient best case - in use probably 8%
So we have .7 x .3 = .21 conversion of electricity to rear wheel power best
case.
And what losses are associated with the electricity?
they make the 21 % even
What this amounts to is a really lousy, incompetent attempt at a perpetual
motion machine.
You have to put in the energy to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen,
then you get back the same energy when they recombine. There would be no
surplus to run the vehicle even if every stage was perfectly
Just trying to pick the brains of the rest of the world
This is pertaining to gasoline engines being run off of hydrogen from an
electrolysis reaction onboard the vehicle.
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm
What is the probability of this working correctly? Anyone
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