RE: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-24 Thread Martin Klingensmith
You have to buy a fairly expensive synchronized inverter, and don't expect to get too much $$ for the wear on your generator. You're better off charging batteries with it and only running it a couple hours a day. --- "Olsen Eric (app1ebo)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Harmon, > I also have a 5kw

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-24 Thread Harmon Seaver
kirk wrote: > The problem is the power co is only forced to take wind and solar under > current regs. That depends on the state -- Wisconsin allows any renewable source, so does CA and, I believe, some other states. (snip) > > Harmon, > I also have a 5kw 120/240 VAC cogen diesel and thoug

RE: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-23 Thread kirk
@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel Harmon, I also have a 5kw 120/240 VAC cogen diesel and thought a lot about how I can net meter with it. How do plan on doing the utility intertie? Inverters? Eric Olsen kirk wrote: > > A cogeneration biodiesel at your house

RE: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-23 Thread Olsen Eric (app1ebo)
Harmon, I also have a 5kw 120/240 VAC cogen diesel and thought a lot about how I can net meter with it. How do plan on doing the utility intertie? Inverters? Eric Olsen kirk wrote: > > A cogeneration biodiesel at your house could work very well but most > municipal zoning will outlaw it.

RE: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-23 Thread kirk
@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel kirk wrote: > > A cogeneration biodiesel at your house could work very well but most > municipal zoning will outlaw it. I don't know why. I've looked at zoning regs for a few places and can't find anything th

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-23 Thread Harmon Seaver
kirk wrote: > > A cogeneration biodiesel at your house could work very well but most > municipal zoning will outlaw it. I don't know why. I've looked at zoning regs for a few places and can't find anything that addresses this -- and why should they? I have hundreds of cars and semi trucks dri

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-22 Thread MH
Kirk wrote: Well a horse is a horse of course of course :) > and nobody can talk to a horse of course unless of course. > energy used ÷ is converted to mechanical work rather than heat if so desired, > MH. As an example Shuman and Boys built a 50 horsepower solar powered water pumping pl

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-22 Thread MH
Well a horse is a horse of course of course :) > and nobody can talk to a horse of course unless of course. > energy used ÷ is converted to mechanical work rather than heat if so desired. As an example Shuman and Boys built a 50 horsepower solar powered water pumping plant on the bank of the

RE: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-21 Thread kirk
riginal Message- From: George & Lola Wesel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:30 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel Kirk How close is industry to getting the 200 mph that you talk about? I was just comparing weight, speed, a

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-21 Thread MH
(snip) > An ordered electrochemical process represents the work function > of the bonding energy directly in electron volts and the current > by the quantity of reactant. It never involves expansion of a gas > thus the Carnot limitations do not apply. > A fuel cell such as a hydrogen cell

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-21 Thread rmcphe8888
Depending on the fuel cell (over 600 designs) there is a very wide range in efficiencies. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To u

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-21 Thread George & Lola Wesel
s the cost of > manufacture. > Kirk > > -Original Message- > From: MH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:01 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel > > > I would like to calculate the BTU

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-21 Thread rmcphe8888
In a message dated 01/21/2002 7:20:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > . I am just wondering why our > government and a lot of big companies are spending so much money to try > to develop an energy source that appears to be so unworkable when > compared to Biodiesel Is

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-21 Thread George & Lola Wesel
Robert Thanks you very much for your very well explained answer. I am not interested in hydrogen as a fuel. I am just wondering why our government and a lot of big companies are spending so much money to try to develop an energy source that appears to be so unworkable when compared to biodi

RE: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-21 Thread kirk
I would avoid. Kirk -Original Message- From: MH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 10:28 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel > A fuel cell should produce more energy. Agreed. But having read a fuel cell is up t

RE: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-21 Thread kirk
welcomed, thank you -Original Message- From: MH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 10:28 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel > A fuel cell should produce more energy. Agreed. But having read a fuel cell is up to

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-20 Thread MH
> A fuel cell should produce more energy. Agreed. But having read a fuel cell is up to 80% efficient ÷ 80 percent - efficiency of the electric motor/inverter × 30 to 40 percent - efficiency converting methanol to electricity × 80 percent - efficiency converting electricity to mechanical po

RE: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-20 Thread kirk
want to put it there. Gearbox mass and gear loss would be avoided as well as the cost of manufacture. Kirk -Original Message- From: MH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:01 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel I would

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-20 Thread robert luis rabello
George & Lola Wesel wrote: > > > I would like to calculate the BTU's needed to to drive a 4,500 pound > pickup 700 miles at 75 mph. Then calculate the hydrogen needed to > produce this many btu's and then comvert this to pounds . . . > I would really appreciate it if someone could mak

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-20 Thread MH
I would like to calculate the BTU's needed to to drive a 4,500 pound pickup 700 miles at 75 mph. (snip) My 4x4, 3/4 ton pickup can do this on 40 gal of dinodiesel. ÷ Multiply the BTUs per gallon times 40 gallons. When all's said and done, I believe, most things will pre

Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-19 Thread HDirkx
Ask this ? too, will just compression only fire H. I think you need a spark Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is s

[biofuel] Hydrogen Fuel vs Dino Diesel

2002-01-19 Thread George & Lola Wesel
Hi Everybody I am asking this group's collective mind to calculate something for me that I do not know how to calculate for myself. I would like to calculate the BTU's needed to to drive a 4,500 pound pickup 700 miles at 75 mph. Then calculate the hydrogen needed to produce this many btu's a