http://www.nvo.com/stavy/paper1americansolarenergysocietyssolar2003conferenc e1june211/
He claims 70% efficiency for the electrolyzer and $800 per kilowatt capitalization. An abstract is at the URL. Efficiency for the fuel cell is typically worse. Then you have the storage problem. Hydrogen is pretty ho-hum when you add all the numbers. Green plants convert solar energy into oil which can be processed into biodiesel. Diesels are a fairly mature technology and appear to have much longer life on biodiesel. Storage is simple. Cost is low. Can be implemented now. Is low tech, village level stuff. Decentralization is a key parameter to freedom -- if you think such a thing is important. Energy will be used just as food will as a method of enslaving/controlling you. Hybrid designs have possibility. Skeleton (not Skelton) demonstrated a super capacitor with order of magnitude power density improvement. Approaching lead/acid storage densities without lead so no critical material shortage or toxicity. Engine could be smaller and be optimized. No sulphation problem with super cap if stored discharged. Kirk -----Original Message----- From: Leon Blakeley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Micro_Cogeneration] A Pollution-Free Hydrogen Economy? Not So Soon,or Maybe Sooner Hi, What about electrolysing water with wind generated electricity? On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:54 am, kirk wrote: > I realize hydrogen is clean but the process of extracting it from coal > leaves me with the question of what form the carbon is in and what they > propose to do with it. Are they going to capture the mercury as well or is > it not a problem as long as it is not in their neighborhood? > > The energy barons are pushing coal but I have serious misgivings about it. > > Kirk > > -----Original Message----- > From: FRANK L DICKSON [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 9:22 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Micro_Cogeneration] A Pollution-Free Hydrogen Economy? Not So > Soon,or Maybe Sooner > > > Delphi Set to Show Feasibility of Clean, Large-Scale Power Production By > Using Gasified Coal to Power a SECA Solid Oxide Fuel Cell > > TROY, Mich., May 21 /PRNewswire/ -- In June 2003, Delphi Corp. will > demonstrate a unique innovation by powering its Solid State Energy > Conversion Alliance (SECA) Generation-2 solid oxide fuel cell (SOFC) using > gaseous fuel extracted from coal. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Leon To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 6/30/2003 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge & refill kit orders to US & Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark & more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
