Steve I'm rather old and a little slow. Could you please explain to me in a few simple words how Europe "makes" the US protect it. It never occurred to me that Europe could make the US do anything. What exactly does Europe have to be protected from other than a country that bullies its way around the world? I can't think of one - perhaps you can? As I am old enough to remember the Second World War it occurd to me that perhaps you are thinking of protecting Europe from Hitler. Howver, then the US only decided to join the fray when its own interests were threatened. Prior to that I remember many US citizens, including the forebearers of your brave draft dodging President, were allegedly supporting the Nazis.
I look forward to hearing how Europe "makes" the US protect it. Regards Stuart --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's also a drain on our taxes. I'd love to see Europe be able to protect > themselves instead of making us do it. > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter > & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: > http://www.green-trust.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] World history - Geneva Convention > > > > > > We already have a EU power bloc, from economical and > > sociological point of view. I do not want it to be the "other" > > either. It should not be one military force, because of the > > nature of EU. It should replace NATO as a defence alliance, > > but free from US direct influence. It is time to get rid of the > > US military presence in Europe, it is long overdue and > > misused. > > > > Hakan > > > > > > At 02:05 PM 4/22/2003 +0100, you wrote: > > >Actually, I'm not too attracted to the idea of a EU power bloc, > > >or formalised defence apparatus as counter to US power. It just > > >seems to recreate the 'other' that corporate USA in its various > > >manifestations needs to justify it own existence. The UN worked > > >fine; virtually everyone came to realise that the USA had long > > >planned war on Iraq, to a timetable, and that the UN work of US > > >and UK was only intended to provide a spurious legitimacy for > > >what US was going to do come what may. Yes, I believe Nato is > > >irrelevant > > > > > >Andrew > > > > > >On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:52:34 +0200, "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > > > > > Andrew, > > > > > > > > I agree. > > > > > > > > It seems to me that the biggest challenge for the world is > > > > if it can deal with the Iraq events in an evenhanded way. It > > > > means that the "Coalition of the Barbarians" (referring to > > > > the cultural education that made them protect the oil ministry > > > > instead of the heritage of the world), should stand scrutiny > > > > according to the Geneva convention. > > > > > > > > UN is now needed more than ever and NATO should be > > > > dismantled in favor of a EU defence organization. The > > > > world need some balance. > > > > > > > > Hakan > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:21 AM 4/22/2003 +0100, you wrote: > > > > >On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 13:19:30 +0200, "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell, Blair and Howard have secured a prominent > place > > > > > > in > > > > > > the world history,... > > > > > > > > > >snip > > > > > > > > > > >..It is also a war crime, according to the Geneva convention. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hakan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I,ve seen a number of photos of dead Iraqi soldiers holding white > flags. > > > > >One of the pictures was on the front page of the UK 'Independent' > > > > >newspaper, showing two soldiers dead in a 2-3 man dug-out trench, one > > > > >clutching a white flag. Several US soldiers stood by the trench. > > > > > > > > > >None of this seems to have attracted any comment whatsoever in > mainstream > > > > >media discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Andrew Preston > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
