that just a few feet behind follow a rabbit into a 18 inch
metal culvert.
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: robert luis rabello
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 16:04
Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: turbines kill birds
There have been a few
Does anyone know if the design of the turbine ( vertical axis -vs- horizontal
axis ) has any influence over how many birds are killed?
Greg H.
- Original Message -
From: Steve
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 12:57
Subject: [biofuel] Re: turbines
rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: Turbines kill cats was Re: [biofuel] RE: turbines kill birds
Appal Energy wrote:
Robert,
The source of the 22,000 bird kills at Altamont Pass statement
appears to
come from
Keith Addison wrote:
I did NOT write that, I quoted it as an attempt to debunk what I'd
written. Please be more careful in future.
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Ooops. Sorry about that. I'm normally not that careless.
Mea culpa.
John
Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Hello Robert
Well. It seems at first glance that I'm more optimistic than you are.
But I wouldn't agree with that. I don't think you're a cynic either.
A bit skeptical maybe, but that's always healthy. My main focus as a
journalist for 35 years has been 3rd World development, working to
end
Slower speeds have an important purpose that is overlooked.. Reduced
maintenance.
mono towers... means no roosting place.
And last of all.. There are usually problems with early versions of of
anything. Just part of the learning curve.
And yes I will admit a few birds have been killed by
Appal Energy wrote:
Robert,
I know. When a person counters a rabid nuker they are an
environmentalist.
When a person counters those who express environmentally enclined
sentiments
they are a troll. ;-)
All I was doing was asking a question. . .
And unlike the wind farm in the
sources, with those that support our own perspective
being the ones of least or perhaps last import.
Todd Swearingen
- Original Message -
From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: turbines kill
]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 2:57 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: turbines kill birds
Slower speeds have an important purpose that is overlooked.. Reduced
maintenance.
mono towers... means no roosting place.
And last of all.. There are usually problems with early
Appal Energy wrote:
Robert,
Not that I disagree with you. If I could have my druthers, I'd care to
see
several thousand turbines dotting the land and oceanscape. One heck of
a
prettier sight a windfarm on Nantucket sound is than the smoke
belching
generating station on the island
Hi Robert, Todd and all
snip
We really need regime change in our country, don't we?
Aarghh! You have just violated the code of American Exceptionalism in
the first degree. You will go straight to Go, without passing Jail.
Please don't forget to collect your 200 dollars. Have a nice day.
Keith Addison wrote:
I would point you towards the recent (2 yrs old, I believe) Harvard
experiment (and since then duplicated in several other locations)
that showed that ordinary human beings off the street were willing
to torture and even kill other people if they were told to by
: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: Turbines kill cats was Re: [biofuel] RE: turbines kill birds
Appal Energy wrote:
Robert,
Not that I disagree with you. If I could have my druthers, I'd care to
see
John Hayes wrote:
Keith Addison wrote:
I would point you towards the recent (2 yrs old, I believe) Harvard
experiment (and since then duplicated in several other locations)
that showed that ordinary human beings off the street were willing
to torture and even kill other people if they were
parts is parts
birds is birds
IOW
pigeons - open season - kill all you want
ducks - plenty of 'em, hunt frely in season
generic raptors (red tails etc.- top of the food chain and federally
protected
eagles - slowly recovering from low populations in the last part of
the 20th century
California
Keith Addison wrote:
snip (my comments below inserted for clarity)
Keith, and others in this forum, seem to believe that some innate
goodness exists in humanity. I keep looking for it, but most of the
time what I see is simply innane!
(to which Keith responded:)
It's not something
Appal Energy wrote:
Robert,
The source of the 22,000 bird kills at Altamont Pass statement
appears to
come from a study done for CEC (California Energy Commission) and NREL
(National Renewable Energy Lab). By whom I haven't yet been able to
determine.
What is curious is how both
: [biofuel] RE: turbines kill birds
dont remember who sent that silly post that turbines kill birds.. but
it is my belief that this is an urban legend.
Turbines just do not turn fast enough that a bird will not see them
and get out of the way.
Perhaps whomever said this was refering to home brew
In northern California, there have been eagles killed by wind turbines. It is
not an urban myth. However, in places like East Texas, the killing of birds,
especially raptors, is not a problem because there are not many there to begin
with. That is probley true of were you live too.
I have
Appal Energy wrote:
It's a fact, not a myth. Altamonte Pass,California, and numerous
other
places have run into this problem. All industrial farm turbines.
Todd Swearingen
There have been a few documented raptor kills in the Altamont Pass.
No one really knows why this happens, but
rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: turbines kill birds
Appal Energy wrote:
It's a fact, not a myth. Altamonte Pass,California, and numerous
other
places have run into this problem. All industrial farm
dont remember who sent that silly post that turbines kill birds.. but
it is my belief that this is an urban legend.
Turbines just do not turn fast enough that a bird will not see them
and get out of the way.
Perhaps whomever said this was refering to home brew turbines which in
reality
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