Good, articulate summary from Ben about local production, etc. But I 
agree with Keith about standards and the fact that they're no barrier 
to production.
 
I took a class on biodiesel analysis last month. I heard a lot of 
stories about why certain specifications are in the standards- some of 
it seems really stupid (like the distillation temperature, which does 
not apply to biodiesel at all but is a holdover from petrolwum 
industry and was insisted on by a member of the ASTM committee on the 
biodiesel standard which operates by concensus. It's a test that's 
hard to do in-house if I remember correctly, and it's meaningless to 
biodiesel). It's not something you'll ever 'fail' however.

Main thing is that assuming you wash your fuel and all that, it's 
absolutely easy to meet any of the standards, besides glycerol 
content. ANd the commercial guys have every bit as much trouble with 
that one specification as we do. 

In class we did glycerol analysis of four samples (using enzymatic 
method for all four, and AOCS (american oil Chemists Society) periodic 
acid method, and GC for one commercial sample). 
One of the samples was some really poorly-produced homebrew that my 
friend made, which she just sort of 'threw together' carelessly 
without titration or good measurement while in a hurry one day. We'd 
driven to Iowa on this stuff and had some residue of it in our fuel 
cans. 
The result was that, as expected, we didn't pass ASTM spec on total 
glycerol (we were best on 'free glycerol' due to the extent to which 
homebrewers wash their fuel rather than the extent to which industry 
does). But neither did two of the three commercial samples (to the 
surprise of their owner, in my impression). The only sample which did 
pass was some isopropyl esters experimental biodiesel which ISU made, 
which was something they were quite extra-careful in producing (my 
impression). The other commercial samples: one was a lot higher in 
total glycerol content than our sloppy homebrew, and another was a 
very little bit better than ours but quite similar. 

I don't believe the idea that standards were designed to keep small 
producers out. I've talked ato a LOT of big and small producers about 
this at this point, and I think the standard for total glycerol is 
equally difficult or easy for anyone to achieve. We all complain about 
it.

By the way there's a lab which charges about $500 for the full round 
of ASTM tests, I'll have to dig out the info on who it is. Free and 
total glycerol analysis, which is the one you'd be likely to have to 
repeat a few times if you have trouble with your process, is $89 at 
Williams lab I believe. The periodic acid method- AOCS wet-chemistry 
method for total glycerol- seems relatively cheap and easy to do 
in-house for a small producer's process feedback,  though the 
materials are quite nasty to store, use, and dispose of, so don't do 
this if you're a homebrewer. 

mark

> >
> >-Ben
> 
> Note, however, that the bit about the big guys shutting out the 
> little guys is no longer true, if it ever was. But the myth 
persists.
> 
> Mark (Girl Mark) asked me recently to summarize the situation with 
> small-scale producers in the US. It's here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/message/27426
> 
> There are no barriers for small producers now other than meeting 
ASTM 
> spec, which isn't a problem. A lot of would-be small producers are 
> going right ahead.
> 
> Also I don't think World Energy actually produces anything itself. 
> They're broke



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