Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 06:36:53PM -0400, Appal Energy wrote: > Motie, > > How 'bout just makin' it simple for us poor knee jerk > reactionaries whose knees don't work as fast as they used to? > > Exactly where is it that your trucker buds are getting bled dry > and other consumers of road use f

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread studio53
eaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks > On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 10:09:16PM -, motie_d wrote: > > Perhaps Sports Stadiums should be forced to raise ticket prices by

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 10:09:16PM -, motie_d wrote: > Perhaps Sports Stadiums should be forced to raise ticket prices by > $10 each for a couple of seasons to raise funds to build a new > Stadium, Unfortunately, what seems to be happening more and more is the taxpayer is forced to pay

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: "motie_d" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 18:57 Subject: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks > Can I produce Methane from their droppings? Yes. > Can they be trained to poop in a sample collection jar? LOL

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread Appal Energy
What? Me? Hostile? ROFFL...FROFFL... Don't take it too personally Motie. Just the older I get the less sypathies I have. Probably an ingrained response to seeing the remaining half of the pie getting divided into halves yet again too many times and seeing too many self interests jockeying fo

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread Appal Energy
Motie, How 'bout just makin' it simple for us poor knee jerk reactionaries whose knees don't work as fast as they used to? Exactly where is it that your trucker buds are getting bled dry and other consumers of road use fuel did not? Seems to me that the industry got off really light for half a

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-09 Thread Appal Energy
Motie, You are again using a wide brush and water colors to paint detailed gingerbread trim. The wide brush is all too encompassing and the water color paint doesn't hold up in all conditions. Using one instance in whatever state you describe as the "Nanny State" still leaves thousands of instanc

RE: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-08 Thread kirk
retailer of such crap Harmon. Kirk -Original Message- From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 6:18 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 05:43:38PM +0900, Keith

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-08 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 06:56:20AM -0500, Larry Ruebush wrote: > European countries already have a hand in the US truck market. Freightliner > and Sterling trucks are owned by Mercedes as well as Detroit Diesel. Volvo > owns Volvo trucks and Mack. Volvo makes several diesel engines in Europe tha

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-08 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 05:43:38PM +0900, Keith Addison wrote: > Eric wrote: > > >I think I should have to disagree about the loud pipes on bikes though. > > > >We know that 4 out of 5 motorcycle accidents are the cars fault. Cars > >notice bikes with loud pipes. > > ... Yes, and it probably a

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-08 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 06:43:09AM -, motie_d wrote: > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Harmon Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >That's irrelevant -- the fact is that their exhaust system is > illegal, and > > something needs to be done about it. It's irrelevant what the > riders want o

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-08 Thread Larry Ruebush
European countries already have a hand in the US truck market. Freightliner and Sterling trucks are owned by Mercedes as well as Detroit Diesel. Volvo owns Volvo trucks and Mack. Volvo makes several diesel engines in Europe that are used in US trucks. New Holland-Case IH farm and construction

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-08 Thread Keith Addison
Eric wrote: >I think I should have to disagree about the loud pipes on bikes though. > >We know that 4 out of 5 motorcycle accidents are the cars fault. Cars >notice bikes with loud pipes. ... Yes, and it probably annoys them and makes them more aggressive. On two wheels it's best to regard t

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-07 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 10:22:34PM -, motie_d wrote: > > Because that is what consumers will buy. If no one was buying Harleys > because of the noise, they would quiet them down. That's irrelevant -- the fact is that their exhaust system is illegal, and something needs to be done about i

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-07 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 07:55:11PM +, Eric Ruttan wrote: > It seems the whole of US manufacturing is blatantly unintelligent, at times > vigorously so. They seemed focused on partnerships and friend ships like > its a high school popularity contest! > > I think I should have to disagree ab

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-07 Thread Harmon Seaver
al issues they > involve themselves in go to their making money. > That is the alpha and the omega of it. > > Kirk > > -Original Message- > From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 6:07 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject:

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-07 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: "Harmon Seaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 06:07 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks >I was out fishing the other night and some asshole in a *huge* inboard boat >

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-07 Thread Eric Ruttan
It seems the whole of US manufacturing is blatantly unintelligent, at times vigorously so. They seemed focused on partnerships and friend ships like its a high school popularity contest! I think I should have to disagree about the loud pipes on bikes though. We know that 4 out of 5 motorcycl

RE: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-07 Thread kirk
om: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 6:07 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 04:26:16AM -, motie_d wrote: > > I'm hesitant to jump into the middle of a

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-07 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 04:26:16AM -, motie_d wrote: > > I'm hesitant to jump into the middle of a hot debate, but IMHO the > reason Cummins doesn't (not can't) build better Diesel engines, is > the same reason Mercedes VW etc. won't/don't sell them here. Very > poor fuel! Yes -- but

Re: [biofuel] Re: EPA Ruling Backfires, Spurs Sales of Diesel Trucks

2002-06-07 Thread Appal Energy
Okay...Nothing more inviting in a "discussion" than all-encompassing, generally sweeping statements like the one below. Don't suppose anyone has ever calculated the proportions of road tax expenditures to see how much went to bicycle paths, how much went to pot holes and by-passes and how much we