Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-09 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Jeff, Just to clarify, I wasn't implying, I was stating and repeat: Sound-audio support is currently a mozilla SVG1.1 bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334920 This is because foreignObject support is part of SVG1.1 and claimed by mozilla. however foreignObject embed-object

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-09 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Jonathan- Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: In case of complete mozilla SVG developer obtuseness as currently available in bucket loads: it is an accessibility issue, a usability issue and if commonsense and commercial realism aren't enough an enhancement request as well. However they know

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-09 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Jonathan- Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: In case of complete mozilla SVG developer obtuseness as currently available in bucket loads: it is an accessibility issue, a usability issue and if commonsense and commercial realism aren't enough an enhancement request as well. However they know

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-09 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Doug, I don't know what else is falling apart in your life, but you need to take a break. my previous email was clearly labelled a reply to jeff's email, not that you couldn't reply, but really your rant had absolutely nothing to do with my email, which again had nothing to do with logos.

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-09 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Jonathan- Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: Doug, I don't know what else is falling apart in your life, but you need to take a break. Actually, my life is going just fine, but thanks for your concern. In fact, I will be taking a nice vacation in a few days. my previous email was clearly

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-08 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Jon, among other significant outstanding bugs that mozilla/firefox is being really slow to resolve is the issue of audio or sound. Aywk adobe had sound support from the start as does flash. in fact many authors use flash solely to provide audio on webpages. I just wondered whether you had

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-08 Thread Jon Ferraiolo
Hi Jonathan, You asked, so I will answer. My opinion on audio and video is that I hope the browser vendors see the multimedia light and implement the SMIL timing and animation modules. They have to implement most of it anyway for SVG 1.1, so why not have a bit of foresight and: * implement

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-08 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Jon- I feel the very same way. We need a standardized way to deliver audio and video, that's clear. There are some detractors of SVG that complain about audio and video being in SVG, but it needs to happen somewhere (and after all, it's really just extending the hosted SMIL). I think

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-07 Thread Jon Ferraiolo
Guy, I have been biting my tongue, but your email was too provocative. Generally, I agree with your points. My additional comments: * The open source phenomenon is huge. The same phenomenon that transformed the server world (what with LAMP) is starting to affect the client world. Although the

RE: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-07 Thread Geoffrey Swenson
] On Behalf Of Guy Morton Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:21 PM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML Yes, it gives the lie to the lip service they give to standards adherence. M$ in particular only support those standards

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-07 Thread Guy Morton
Jon I hope you're right! My cynicism is born of over a decade of exposure to web technologies, however I do remain hopeful that things will improve. It has always stunned me that anyone would use proprietary, closed technologies when superior, free, standards-based alternatives exist.