[swift-evolution] Pitch: Member lookup on String should not find members of NSString

2017-10-24 Thread Slava Pestov via swift-evolution
Hi, Members of NSString, except those defined in Foundation, are available on values of type String. For example, extension NSString { @objc func foo() {} } let s: String = “hello” s.foo() We don’t do this for any other bridged types, for instance NSArray methods are not imported as Array

Re: [swift-evolution] Pitch: Member lookup on String should not find members of NSString

2017-10-24 Thread Jonathan Hull via swift-evolution
I would feel better about it if String gained a lot of the utility of NSString (so that we don’t have to go to NSString all the time for methods) Thanks, Jon > On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Slava Pestov via swift-evolution > wrote: > > Hi, > > Members of NSString, except those defined in Foun

Re: [swift-evolution] Pitch: Member lookup on String should not find members of NSString

2017-10-24 Thread Slava Pestov via swift-evolution
Perhaps you could write up a proposal to outline the missing functionality :-) Slava > On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Jonathan Hull wrote: > > I would feel better about it if String gained a lot of the utility of > NSString (so that we don’t have to go to NSString all the time for methods) > >

Re: [swift-evolution] Pitch: Member lookup on String should not find members of NSString

2017-10-24 Thread Philippe Hausler via swift-evolution
I think any serious proposal with the removal of APIs would need to consider source compatibility and to do so you should likely audit the API surface area that is being offered (and replace it via the NSStringAPI.swift extension) > On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Slava Pestov via swift-evolution

Re: [swift-evolution] Pitch: Member lookup on String should not find members of NSString

2017-10-24 Thread Slava Pestov via swift-evolution
I think to maintain source compatibility, the old behavior would be preserved until/if we remove -swift-version 4 mode. By deprecating it though, we won’t have to devote as much time to maintaining it going forward. Slava > On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Philippe Hausler wrote: > > I think any

Re: [swift-evolution] Pitch: Member lookup on String should not find members of NSString

2017-10-25 Thread Johannes Weiß via swift-evolution
+1, it's currently really non-obvious where these automatic bridges are happening which keeps costing me time. > On 24 Oct 2017, at 11:00 pm, Slava Pestov via swift-evolution > wrote: > > Hi, > > Members of NSString, except those defined in Foundation, are available on > values of type Strin

Re: [swift-evolution] Pitch: Member lookup on String should not find members of NSString

2017-10-25 Thread Matthew Johnson via swift-evolution
Sent from my iPad > On Oct 24, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Slava Pestov via swift-evolution > wrote: > > I think to maintain source compatibility, the old behavior would be preserved > until/if we remove -swift-version 4 mode. By deprecating it though, we won’t > have to devote as much time to mainta

Re: [swift-evolution] Pitch: Member lookup on String should not find members of NSString

2017-10-25 Thread David Hart via swift-evolution
> On 25 Oct 2017, at 15:29, Matthew Johnson via swift-evolution > wrote: > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 24, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Slava Pestov via swift-evolution >> wrote: >> >> I think to maintain source compatibility, the old behavior would be >> preserved until/if we remove -swift

Re: [swift-evolution] Pitch: Member lookup on String should not find members of NSString

2017-10-25 Thread Kelvin Ma via swift-evolution
I don’t think anyone is really looking at that at the time but +1 to bringing NSString functionality to String. This is something that gets talked about a lot but no one has really sat down to outline what such an API would look like. On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 3:24 PM, David Hart via swift-evolution

Re: [swift-evolution] Pitch: Member lookup on String should not find members of NSString

2017-10-28 Thread Michael Ilseman via swift-evolution
We are definitely looking at it, soon. Right now (working on Swift 4.1), most of the String focus is on ABI-critical concerns, but better String APIs and programming models is a focus area for Swift 5. > On Oct 25, 2017, at 3:34 PM, Kelvin Ma via swift-evolution > wrote: > > I don’t think a

Re: [swift-evolution] Pitch: Member lookup on String should not find members of NSString

2017-10-28 Thread C. Keith Ray via swift-evolution
is there a roadmap for strings + unicode in swift 5? will unicode normalization and other functionality be available in the standard library? https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/text/Normalizer.html https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr31/ http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr44/ http://w

Re: [swift-evolution] Pitch: Member lookup on String should not find members of NSString

2017-10-29 Thread Ted Kremenek via swift-evolution
A complementary tactic would be that migration tool support to Swift 5 would insert the needed casts to NSString. That way even if the magic lookup is gone in Swift 5 the code could be automatically migrated and preserve the same semantics. If this came to a formal proposal I’d really like to

Re: [swift-evolution] Pitch: Member lookup on String should not find members of NSString

2017-11-08 Thread Rod Brown via swift-evolution
> On 30 Oct 2017, at 6:16 am, Ted Kremenek via swift-evolution > wrote: > > A complementary tactic would be that migration tool support to Swift 5 would > insert the needed casts to NSString. That way even if the magic lookup is > gone in Swift 5 the code could be automatically migrated and