Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

On Nov 1, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Shyamal Chandra wrote: > Hi Chris, > > First of all, there is tremendous instability with Xcode Playgrounds. Hi Shyamal, The vast majority of the instability of playgrounds is a result of the compiler code which is already open source. I look forward to you sendin

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is, full of bugs

Jens Alfke wrote: > Back when I worked at Apple I used to drop in on Steve and tell him > the metal UI appearance sucked. He’d chuckle in his kindly way, > and then nail my head to the floor. Now Tim Cook owes me a new keyboard! has ___ swift-users

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

Hi Jens, 1. I think you have me confused; I am not yelling. I didn't flame Tim Cook or Chris Latter. 2. Github would be a great place to use for the extensible documentation. 3. Volunteers are great because they might get jobs from Apple or become great evangelists for knowing industry-quality co

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

> On Nov 1, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Shyamal Chandra via swift-users > wrote: > > Why don't you make the Playgrounds open source so I can investigate? I’ve been hearing people tell Apple “why don’t you make ___ open source” for as long as the term ‘open source’ has existed. Sometimes it happens, bu

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

Hi Chris, First of all, there is tremendous instability with Xcode Playgrounds. I paste the same simple code into Xcode Playgrounds; sometimes, it works and sometimes, it doesn't work. Why don't you make the Playgrounds open source so I can investigate? You should tell this to Tim Cook as soon

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Patrice Kouame via swift-users > wrote: > > 1. File those bugs and issues in radar, but lower your expectations a bit. > That’s how I usually vent my frustrations. Just imagine the thousands they > have to sift through... > 2. Be constructive: if possible prov

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

All - you have the privilege of watching the sausage being made. That took courage and much foresight from some great Apple engineers that grace these threads. 1. File those bugs and issues in radar, but lower your expectations a bit. That’s how I usually vent my frustrations. Just imagine t

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

The Art of Diplomacy… Keep doing the great work, lot of us have to much work in our job and/or not the skills (my case) to help you in this so interesting journey. Thanx Gerard > On 14 Sep 2016, at 05:56, Chris Lattner via swift-users > mailto:swift-users@swift.org>> wrote: > > On Sep 13, 20

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

On Sep 13, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Shyamal Chandra wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Here is a forum question that I posted a while back. The latest post says to > file a bug under the bug report. > > Here's the post: > > https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/61953 >

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

Hi Shyamal, Please share with us the SLA you signed with Apple that guarantees you any level of paid support with regards to Swift, or alternatively an invoice that shows us how much you paid for a license to use the Linux port of Swift. Best regards, Austin > On Sep 13, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Shya

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 7:24 PM, Shyamal Chandra wrote: > > Could you give me examples of what I said was clearly "unprofessional”? Well, starting with the title of the thread, as others have noted. You’re coming across as very confrontational and, well, entitled. > Two months for a bug becaus

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

Hi Adam, What are you talking about? If swift.org bug reporting doesn't work, where do you go? You pay money for support but you don't get that from Apple. That's unprofessional by Apple; not my complaint that they don't handle the bug reports in a timely-fashion. Thanks! Best, Shyamal Chandr

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

If you need yet another perspective, your tone does seem abrasive. This is not the place for regretting how Apple handles bug reports. Best regards, Adam Eberbach > On 14 Sep. 2016, at 12:24 pm, Shyamal Chandra via swift-users > wrote: > > Hi Shawn, > > Could you give me examples of what I s

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

Hi Marco, Is there proper documentation for Swift open source? Is there design documents for the n-lines of code? Is there some clear commenting for every line of code? Thanks! Best, Shyamal Chandra shyam...@gmail.com Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/shyamalc Phone: 620-719-9064 On Tue,

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

Hi Shawn, Could you give me examples of what I said was clearly "unprofessional"? Two months for a bug because open source is "do it yourself". This sounds like a crappy support team by a large multinational company that open sources non-functional Linux ports of its language. I gave clear examp

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Shyamal Chandra via swift-users wrote: > > I am not arguing; I am bringing up defect in the Apple way of handling bugs > for Swift, Xcode, and Playgrounds. Am I supposed to wait for eternity? As Jens noted, you have to separate Swift from Xcode and Playgrounds.

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

You message are really coming across with an unprofessional tone. I understand you are frustrated but folks inside and outside of Apple have been working their butts off and frankly deserve a little more civility. Anyway, the Linux side of things is very much an open source - do it yourself - type

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

I am not arguing; I am bringing up defect in the Apple way of handling bugs for Swift, Xcode, and Playgrounds. Am I supposed to wait for eternity? On Tuesday, September 13, 2016, Jens Alfke wrote: > > On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Shyamal Chandra > wrote: > > Do you really think that is a viabl

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Shyamal Chandra wrote: > > Do you really think that is a viable option again? No, you’re right. Reporting bugs is clearly the least viable option, except for all the other options* (like arguing on mailing lists.) —Jens * With apologies to Winston Churchill

[swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

I posted an error with ubuntu running on swift.org and it is currently medium priority and still hasn't been fixed by an "open source" team member and it has been more than two months. Here is the error: https://bugs.swift.org/browse/SR-1998 Do you really think that is a viable option again? On

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Shyamal Chandra via swift-users > wrote: > > Here is a forum question that I posted a while back. The latest post says to > file a bug under the bug report. I have had mixed success with the bug > reporter tool from Apple; most of the time, they ask for the sy

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

Hi Chris, Here is a forum question that I posted a while back. The latest post says to file a bug under the bug report. I have had mixed success with the bug reporter tool from Apple; most of the time, they ask for the system diagnostics and then, tell you to update your version. Sometimes, the

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

On Sep 12, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Shyamal Chandra via swift-users wrote: > Hope you are doing well! > > Swift is very volatile language that keeps on changing with every new version > of Xcode. When you are trying to run old code with different syntax, you run > into problems because the code is n

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

Hi Jens and mailing list members, I hope that Chris Lattner and the Swift team can move to that goal very quickly by following the trend of Go and Rust that have already gone through that process. Most of the documentation from different publishers is going to be outdated very quickly if the synt

Re: [swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

> On Sep 12, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Shyamal Chandra via swift-users > wrote: > > Instead of moving onto Swift 3, 4, and 5 (with different syntax), why don't > you standardize the library and language operations and functions for the > different package and frameworks included with Xcode That is t

[swift-users] Swift and Xcode along with Playgrounds is full of bugs

Hi all, Hope you are doing well! Swift is very volatile language that keeps on changing with every new version of Xcode. When you are trying to run old code with different syntax, you run into problems because the code is no longer compatible. Instead of moving onto Swift 3, 4, and 5 (with diffe