[swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-06 Thread Jeroen Massar
Peter Keel wrote: > * on the Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 07:02:18AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: >> why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? >> I think more people on this list have skype than IRC >> client software (me, for example :-) > > I don't. And I WON'T. > > I've done to

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-06 Thread Per Jessen
Jeroen Massar wrote: > And of course, with Open Source: did you check every single line of > the source, and that of the compiler, and all the tools that that was > made with etc etc etc? Ah, indeed you didn't, thus please don't claim > that "Open Source" is "more secure" because you have the sour

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-06 Thread Marco Fretz
Jeroen Massar wrote: > Peter Keel wrote: >> * on the Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 07:02:18AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: >>> why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? >>> I think more people on this list have skype than IRC >>> client software (me, for example :-) >> I don't. And

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-07 Thread Tonnerre Lombard
Salut, Per, On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:38:56 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: > The idea of open source is not so much that you get to check it > yourself, but much more that it is open for hundreds of thousands of > other people to check. If for instance the quality/security of a > piece of code is proporti

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-07 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:11:45 +0200 Tonnerre Lombard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:38:56 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: > > The idea of open source is not so much that you get to check it > > yourself, but much more that it is open for hundreds of thousands of > > other people to che

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-07 Thread Tonnerre Lombard
Salut, Attila, On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:31:10 +0200, Attila Kinali wrote: > Can you name some of these recent publications? > I'd be much interested to read them. Sag ich nicht, selber suchen. Tonnerre signature.asc Description: PGP signature __

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-07 Thread Tonnerre Lombard
Salut, Marco, On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:47:41 +0200, Marco Fretz wrote: > I usually don't have a look at the code at all. But point is, it's > code, tested and build by a community not a closed company with their > own, secret business goals...! I don't want be a victim of global > marketing data col

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-07 Thread Ihsan Dogan
Am 7.10.2008 8:47 Uhr, Marco Fretz schrieb: > That's not the point. Of course we don't check the whole source code. I > usually don't have a look at the code at all. But point is, it's code, > tested and build by a community not a closed company with their own, > secret business goals...! I don't

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-07 Thread Tonnerre Lombard
Hey, Ihsan, On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:53:28 +0200, Ihsan Dogan wrote: > One of the big reasons why people are buying commercial software > products is, that they can get support and SLA. Most of the open > source projects cannot provide that. Not by themselves, but you can get that support through o

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-07 Thread Peter Keel
* on the Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 06:50:54PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: > > I've done too much cmputer security, and now I've got a > > déformation professionelle. I won't use closed software > > for anything crucial like "communication"; > > You don't use Cisco's or Junipers? How do you use the Inte

Re: [swinog] Hot Red Flames (Was: IRC Server dead ?)

2008-10-08 Thread roger
maybe your not aware but skype is a p2p tool, servers just exists for the directory, or the gates .. so wiretapping is just possible on the gate while calling a PSTN partitiant. but as we allready heard most using skype, the possibility of badmans communication will stay P2P to confuse the wire