Re: [swinog] The ISP Association: one for all, all for one

2010-11-01 Diskussionsfäden Manfredo Miserocchi
Hi all, SWINOG ISPA = the association, requires membership SWINOG = the community where everybody can join and comment ISPA = Internet Service Provider Association Similar in style to what the difference between RIPE/RIPE NCC is. Indeed, RIPE is the Community and it's open

Re: [swinog] The ISP Association: one for all, all for one

2010-10-31 Diskussionsfäden privo
Hi Guys not wanting to spoil the party here, but knowing the swiss association biotope quite well, it will definitely NOT be easy to make yourself even heard. some thinking points: - there is ASUT: they are by far the biggest association of telco's and have a corresponding weight and voice in

Re: [swinog] The ISP Association: one for all, all for one (Was: the other subject, but going back to this ; )

2010-10-31 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
On 2010-10-29 23:34, Pascal Gloor wrote: [..] Jeroen, what you describe belongs to Net Neutrality. I am fully in favour of Net Neutrality on every aspect of it and I would even expect such an association do run a Net Neutrality quality label for its members respecting it. [..] I don't think

Re: [swinog] The ISP Association: one for all, all for one

2010-10-31 Diskussionsfäden Pascal Gloor
Hi Umbi, [reference] http://lists.swinog.ch/public/swinog/2010-October/004771.html [/reference] I've got enough experience in politics to tell you that influence or 'being heard' is not about how big you are, but is definitely about the connections you have. If you have the right chairman you

Re: [swinog] The ISP Association: one for all, all for one

2010-10-31 Diskussionsfäden Pascal Gloor
SWINOG ISPA = the association, requires membership SWINOG = the community where everybody can join and comment ISPA = Internet Service Provider Association Similar in style to what the difference between RIPE/RIPE NCC is. One will have to clearly define the boundaries though in that

Re: [swinog] The ISP Association: one for all, all for one

2010-10-29 Diskussionsfäden Claudio Prezzi
Hi all Why do you plan to build a new association if there are already so many associations in this industry? ICTSwitzerland.ch for example is the head association of the ICT industry. Below it there are for example asut.ch, the Swiss Telecommunications Association and simsa.ch, the Swiss

Re: [swinog] The ISP Association: one for all, all for one

2010-10-29 Diskussionsfäden Andreas Fink
Am 29.10.2010 um 12:08 schrieb Claudio Prezzi: Hi all Why do you plan to build a new association if there are already so many associations in this industry? ICTSwitzerland.ch for example is the head association of the ICT industry. Below it there are for example asut.ch, the Swiss

Re: [swinog] The ISP Association: one for all, all for one

2010-10-28 Diskussionsfäden Pim van Pelt
Hey Pascal, On Oct 28, 2010 5:24 AM, Pascal Gloor pascal.gl...@spale.com wrote: Dear SwiNOGers, You may have heard of it (or maybe you joined it); a few weeks ago SwiNOG Org made a special SwiNOG event about lawful intercept. I'm sure you have good state on what type of laws there are in

Re: [swinog] The ISP Association: one for all, all for one

2010-10-28 Diskussionsfäden Pascal Gloor
... the creation of an ISP association (umbrella organisation) representing them ... Because I was asked by several hosting companies and ISPs, I'd like to make this point clear. The idea of the umbrella assoc./union is to represent ANY company that is offering public internet services in

Re: [swinog] The ISP Association: one for all, all for one

2010-10-28 Diskussionsfäden JIm Romaguera
Hi Pascal, I'm not saying I'm against your below list - haven't thought about it enough yet - but an ISP association seems to imply ISPs - Internet Service Providers. Your list might be tending to an Internet association (it depends on what so on means I guess). It would be good to have an

Re: [swinog] The ISP Association: one for all, all for one

2010-10-28 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
JIm Romaguera wrote: Hi Pascal, I'm not saying I'm against your below list - haven't thought about it enough yet - but an ISP association seems to imply ISPs - Internet Service Providers. Your list might be tending to an Internet association (it depends on what so on means I guess). It

Re: [swinog] The ISP Association: one for all, all for one

2010-10-28 Diskussionsfäden Pascal Gloor
Hi Jim, I'm not saying I'm against your below list - haven't thought about it enough yet - but an ISP association seems to imply ISPs - Internet Service Providers. Your list might be tending to an Internet association (it depends on what so on means I guess). It would be good to have an

Re: [swinog] The ISP Association: one for all, all for one

2010-10-28 Diskussionsfäden JIm Romaguera
Hi Pascal Jens, If you expand my definition to include an obligation to register (or be registered whether you like it or not) by BAKOM, BUPF or any other government mnemonic *because* of your offering of public Internet services (which is a general term for access, service providers, etc)

[swinog] The ISP Association: one for all, all for one

2010-10-27 Diskussionsfäden Pascal Gloor
Dear SwiNOGers, You may have heard of it (or maybe you joined it); a few weeks ago SwiNOG Org made a special SwiNOG event about lawful intercept. During that event I made an anonymous survey and I was really amazed by some of the results. I'll make it quick; 95% of the audience would like to