[swinog] ohh, what a surprise: Breitband viel zu teuer

2005-05-23 Thread ueli heuer
I found just following article in german only (I think you'll find it soon in french too): http://www.20min.ch/news/wirtschaft/story/25685913 Breitband viel zu teuer Der Breitbandmarkt in der Schweizer Telekommunikation ist 2004 zwar stark gewachsen. Die Konsumenten profitierten aber weder

Re: [swinog] ohh, what a surprise: Breitband viel zu teuer

2005-05-23 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 20:38 +0200, ueli heuer wrote: > I found just following article in german only (I think you'll find it soon in > french too): > > http://www.20min.ch/news/wirtschaft/story/25685913 > > > Breitband viel zu teuer Ehm, but is there anything that is not more expensive in .ch

Re: [swinog] ohh, what a surprise: Breitband viel zu teuer

2005-05-23 Thread Alexis Caceda
Hey all, I donĀ“t think that the solution for everything is to open the last mile for everyone. OK, every provider would start with more "krasse" promotions. They wouldn't only throw the router behind you but also the whole PC, hub, firewall and a all-included trip to your favorite beer & beach

Re: [swinog] ohh, what a surprise: Breitband viel zu teuer

2005-05-24 Thread Jean-Pierre Schwickerath
Hello, > And innovations.. Please :) In one of the last "Netzwoche" sunrise was > asked to say which kind of innovations the would launch if they would > have the last mile and the answer was something like "ahem.. what was > the question again?" > > Just my 5 cents for this evening but I would

Re: [swinog] ohh, what a surprise: Breitband viel zu teuer

2005-05-24 Thread Andre Oppermann
Jean-Pierre Schwickerath wrote: > I lived in Germany for the last years and the big different from the > consumer side is that in Germany you have tons of different offers you > can order. And most of them have different prices, so in fact if you > decide to get a broadbast connection you start to

Re: [swinog] ohh, what a surprise: Breitband viel zu teuer

2005-05-24 Thread Tobias Goeller
Andre Oppermann wrote: 100% too. That leaves 17.4% for the ISP to cover all his costs including Internet bandwidth, investments for routers, helpdesk, I think that's a good point. The ISP has to cover the Bandwith costs... I think my provider is not too happy with me either - I have about 2-

Re: [swinog] ohh, what a surprise: Breitband viel zu teuer

2005-05-24 Thread Nik Hug
From: "Andre Oppermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [..] > 100% too. That leaves 17.4% for the ISP to cover all his costs > including Internet bandwidth, investments for routers, helpdesk, > admin, billing and so on... [..] and don't forget the debitor-risk! It's a typical consumer product and so at lea

Re: [swinog] ohh, what a surprise: Breitband viel zu teuer

2005-05-24 Thread Matthias Hertzog
Hello Nik! I agree with you, but this is normal in a market where you have to buy from suppliers. If you are selling "Kopfsalat" on the "Wochenmarkt", you have to pay the your supplier anyway, no matter if sou sold everything to the normal retail price. Sad, but true - what does not mean, th

Re: [swinog] ohh, what a surprise: Breitband viel zu teuer

2005-05-24 Thread Andre Oppermann
Tobias Goeller wrote: > > Andre Oppermann wrote: > > 100% too. That leaves 17.4% for the ISP to cover all his costs > > including Internet bandwidth, investments for routers, helpdesk, > > I think that's a good point. The ISP has to cover the Bandwith costs... > I think my provider is not too ha

Re: [swinog] ohh, what a surprise: Breitband viel zu teuer

2005-05-24 Thread Andre Oppermann
Nik Hug wrote: > > From: "Andre Oppermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [..] > > 100% too. That leaves 17.4% for the ISP to cover all his costs > > including Internet bandwidth, investments for routers, helpdesk, > > admin, billing and so on... > [..] > > and don't forget the debitor-risk! It's a ty

Re: [swinog] ohh, what a surprise: Breitband viel zu teuer

2005-05-24 Thread Pascal Gloor
> However the sad thing is no matter how low the wholesale price for the > ISP will be, there is always one approaching that price plus a few cents. > This in turn forces the other ISPs to lower their prices too and again > nobody has a useful margin again. Perhaps its time to rise the price again

Re: [swinog] ohh, what a surprise: Breitband viel zu teuer

2005-05-24 Thread Tobias Goeller
Andre Oppermann wrote: Tobias Goeller wrote: Andre Oppermann wrote: 100% too. That leaves 17.4% for the ISP to cover all his costs including Internet bandwidth, investments for routers, helpdesk, I think that's a good point. The ISP has to cover the Bandwith costs... I think my provider is

Re: [swinog] ohh, what a surprise: Breitband viel zu teuer

2005-05-24 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
Andre Oppermann wrote: No, it doesn't reflect the real expenses of the ISPs. It's too low and no ISP makes a dime on the standard ADSL Offer at those prices. Swisscom on the other makes a lot of money on the ADSL lines they resell to the ISPs. Approximatly 75% of the enduser price go to Swis