Re: [swinog] ASUS on board NIC with SAME mac address!

2004-05-06 Thread Roman Hochuli
When you use the default WinXP SiS driver you will ALWAYS obtain the same mac address and that is the reason of those repeating syslog messages: SiS is at it again then... We had this problem alreay a year ago also with Asus mainboards with integrated SiS chipsets but instead of just a driverprob

Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Roman Hochuli
Hello Daniel One of the most renowned OO experts teaches as a professor at the ETHZ: Bertrand Meyer I do not remember this name (but this just prooves that my memory for names is pretty bad) but I know there are some guys from ETHZ in the teams who wrote/write the roadmaps. Regards Roman ___

Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Roman Hochuli
Hello Stefan BUT most teachers ran away from "real industry" many years ago. So they dont have any relation to what the industry is today. As an IT specialist, one have to be up to date (IMHO). You are more or less right on these points, but I hope there are still some teachers (the so-called "Leh

Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Daniel Lorch
Hi * I agree on that and I am pretty sure there are some teachers around (or at least there were in Zuerich) which know OOP. I actually know one of the guys who wrote the basic script for the Java and OOP classes which are on the roadmap. [..] One of the most renowned OO experts teaches as a pro

Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Roman Hochuli
The main problem can be found in our schools. They teach old stuff and aren't up to date. Teachers which dont know anything about OOP shouldn't teach application engineering. I cannot agree on that. Better learn to programm in procedural languages properly first and go to OOP afterwards and _slo

Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread stefan . rothenbuehler
> For all of them applys following: In school they get a broad knowledge > of the basics of IT. It heavily depends on the company they are working > for what they are becoming specialised in. This is how it should be. But in most cases it isnt. I totally agree that the basics must be learned f

Re: [swinog] ASUS on board NIC with SAME mac address!

2004-05-06 Thread Folken
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 11:33:11AM +0200, Pascal Gloor wrote: > Problem: > > ASUS Motherboards P4S8X, P4S533-E, P4S533-VM, P4S333-VM, more (I wasnt able > to get a complete list, but there are probably some more..) > When you use the default WinXP SiS driver you will ALWAYS obtain the same > mac

Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Lukas Beeler
* Roman Hochuli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > The main problem can be found in our schools. They teach old stuff > > and aren't up to date. Teachers which dont know anything about OOP > > shouldn't teach application engineering. > I cannot agree on that. Better learn to programm in procedural languages

Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Roman Hochuli
Hello Folken Ok, I must be fair... it's been sometime since I reviewed things. But last time I looked over the "Lehr Abschluss Pruefungen" I saw things like: "An excel database for storage management". There are always LAP-projects which can be categorized in "I can setup.exe" but there are normal

RE: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Kamer, Andreas
Title: RE: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything? > It depends on two factors: >    * the apprentice >    * the company offering the apprenticeship ACK. >> for sure it gives you a basic but broad knowledge about almost the >> whole IT area (of course without really specializing on a

Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Roman Hochuli
Hello All This post is much longer than most messages on this list. So if you do not feel like reading right now postpone it to a point where you have time or just ignore this mail. :) It seems there are quite some "Informatiker" on this list. :) I consider myself also to this group even thou

Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Roman Hochuli
Hello Stefan > The main problem can be found in our schools. They teach old stuff > and aren't up to date. Teachers which dont know anything about OOP > shouldn't teach application engineering. I cannot agree on that. Better learn to programm in procedural languages properly first and go to OOP a

Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Folken
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 03:22:39PM +0200, Erich Hohermuth wrote: > > > Yep, the "Informatiker Lehre" ain't worth dirt. The only ones doing that > > and who I know that they will succeed, are without exception linux zealots. > > I think this statement is not true as a general rule, because it depe

Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Folken
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 03:41:25PM +0200, Kamer, Andreas wrote: > Hi all > > > > And those who learned "Informatiker"? > > > I know at least three guys who are searching for a job at the end > > > of their apprenticeship... It's also nothing worth in the real > > > world. > > Yep, the "Informa

Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Lukas Beeler
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The main problem can be found in our schools. They teach old > stuff and aren't up to date. News at 11. This problem is probably as old as schools are. When you're taking an apprenticeship, you basically have two options on how to deal with this: * B

Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Lukas Beeler
* Kamer, Andreas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Well, I don't know what the IT apprenticeship is worth exactly, but It depends on two factors: * the apprentice * the company offering the apprenticeship People have different ways to learn things, and different ways to teach things. There are people

RE: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread stefan . rothenbuehler
> Well, I don't know what the IT apprenticeship is worth exactly, but for sure > it gives you a basic but broad knowledge about almost the whole IT area (of > course without really specializing on a certain area). So this is > definitively not comparable to certificates like 'PC Supporter SIZ'. I'

RE: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Kamer, Andreas
Title: RE: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything? Hi all >  > And those who learned "Informatiker"? >  > I know at least three guys who are searching for a job at the end >  > of their apprenticeship... It's also nothing worth in the real >  > world. > Yep, the "Informatiker Lehre" ain

Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Erich Hohermuth
> Yep, the "Informatiker Lehre" ain't worth dirt. The only ones doing that > and who I know that they will succeed, are without exception linux zealots. I think this statement is not true as a general rule, because it depends in which company you make your apprentice. In our company they have th

Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?

2004-05-06 Thread Daniel Lorch
Here's another reply which Folken forgot to send to the list and asked me to forward it. - Forwarded message from Folken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - =46rom: Folken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything? Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:36:36 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTEC

[swinog] ASUS on board NIC with SAME mac address!

2004-05-06 Thread Pascal Gloor
Problem: ASUS Motherboards P4S8X, P4S533-E, P4S533-VM, P4S333-VM, more (I wasnt able to get a complete list, but there are probably some more..) When you use the default WinXP SiS driver you will ALWAYS obtain the same mac address and that is the reason of those repeating syslog messages: %UBR72