Hello Daniel
One of the most renowned OO experts teaches as a professor at the ETHZ:
Bertrand Meyer
I do not remember this name (but this just prooves that my memory for
names is pretty bad) but I know there are some guys from ETHZ in the
teams who wrote/write the roadmaps.
Regards
Roman
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Hello Stefan
BUT
most teachers ran away from "real industry" many years ago. So they dont have
any relation to what the industry is today. As an IT specialist, one have to be
up to date (IMHO).
You are more or less right on these points, but I hope there are still
some teachers (the so-called "Leh
Hi *
I agree on that and I am pretty sure there are some teachers around (or
at least there were in Zuerich) which know OOP. I actually know one of
the guys who wrote the basic script for the Java and OOP classes which
are on the roadmap. [..]
One of the most renowned OO experts teaches as a pro
The main problem can be found in our schools. They teach old stuff
and aren't up to date. Teachers which dont know anything about OOP
shouldn't teach application engineering.
I cannot agree on that. Better learn to programm in procedural languages
properly first and go to OOP afterwards and _slo
> For all of them applys following: In school they get a broad knowledge
> of the basics of IT. It heavily depends on the company they are working
> for what they are becoming specialised in.
This is how it should be. But in most cases it isnt. I totally agree that the
basics must be learned f
* Roman Hochuli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > The main problem can be found in our schools. They teach old stuff
> > and aren't up to date. Teachers which dont know anything about OOP
> > shouldn't teach application engineering.
> I cannot agree on that. Better learn to programm in procedural languages
Hello Folken
Ok, I must be fair... it's been sometime since I reviewed things. But
last time I looked over the "Lehr Abschluss Pruefungen" I saw things
like: "An excel database for storage management".
There are always LAP-projects which can be categorized in "I can
setup.exe" but there are normal
Title: RE: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?
> It depends on two factors:
> * the apprentice
> * the company offering the apprenticeship
ACK.
>> for sure it gives you a basic but broad knowledge about almost the
>> whole IT area (of course without r
Hello All
This post is much longer than most messages on this list. So if you do
not feel like reading right now postpone it to a point where you have
time or just ignore this mail. :)
It seems there are quite some "Informatiker" on this list. :) I consider
myself also to this group even thou
Hello Stefan
> The main problem can be found in our schools. They teach old stuff
> and aren't up to date. Teachers which dont know anything about OOP
> shouldn't teach application engineering.
I cannot agree on that. Better learn to programm in procedural languages
properly first and go to OOP a
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 03:22:39PM +0200, Erich Hohermuth wrote:
>
> > Yep, the "Informatiker Lehre" ain't worth dirt. The only ones doing that
> > and who I know that they will succeed, are without exception linux zealots.
>
> I think this statement is not true as a general rule, because it depe
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 03:41:25PM +0200, Kamer, Andreas wrote:
> Hi all
>
> > > And those who learned "Informatiker"?
> > > I know at least three guys who are searching for a job at the end
> > > of their apprenticeship... It's also nothing worth in the real
> > > world.
> > Yep, the "Informa
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> The main problem can be found in our schools. They teach old
> stuff and aren't up to date.
News at 11. This problem is probably as old as schools are.
When you're taking an apprenticeship, you basically have two
options on how to deal with this:
* B
* Kamer, Andreas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Well, I don't know what the IT apprenticeship is worth exactly, but
It depends on two factors:
* the apprentice
* the company offering the apprenticeship
People have different ways to learn things, and different ways to
teach things. There are people
> Well, I don't know what the IT apprenticeship is worth exactly, but for sure
> it gives you a basic but broad knowledge about almost the whole IT area (of
> course without really specializing on a certain area). So this is
> definitively not comparable to certificates like 'PC Supporter SIZ'.
I'
Title: RE: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?
Hi all
> > And those who learned "Informatiker"?
> > I know at least three guys who are searching for a job at the end
> > of their apprenticeship... It's also nothing worth in the real
> >
> Yep, the "Informatiker Lehre" ain't worth dirt. The only ones doing that
> and who I know that they will succeed, are without exception linux zealots.
I think this statement is not true as a general rule, because it depends in
which company you make your apprentice. In our company they have th
Here's another reply which Folken forgot to send to the list and
asked me to forward it.
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Subject: Re: [swinog] LPI Certification - worth anything?
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:36:36
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