Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-22 Thread David Burry
I believe he's just saying that it is called "stealing intellectual property" only because the law of the land says it is, not because the Bible says it is. The moral Biblical laws are immutable and unchangeable principles, laws of the land are not and can be easily changed. Therefore there is

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-22 Thread Chris
David Burry wrote: >I believe he's just saying that it is called "stealing intellectual >property" only because the law of the land says it is, not because the >Bible says it is. > I have to be clear. *Neither* says it is stealing. It is copyright violation.

Re: [sword-devel] Java developer available

2001-12-22 Thread Joe Walker
Hi, I've a couple of weeks off work over xmas, so, God willing I'm going to do the same from a ProjectB point of view. so maybe then we can get down to some serious sharing. Joe. On Fri, 2001-12-21 at 06:07, Mike Dougherty wrote: > On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 19:45, James Stauffer wrote: > > I am a

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-22 Thread Tim Hawes
I think these fireside chats are great, but I would much rather see them on the news server. Chris, before you go on long tirades on socialism, familiarize yourself with Ludwig von Mises book on Socialism. Socialism is not about "having all things in common", but rather the government owning ever

[sword-devel] fireside chat

2001-12-22 Thread David Burry
every news reader I've ever tried sucks, can someone recommend a good news reader? or can we move it to an email list? Dave At 05:48 AM 12/22/2001 -0500, Tim Hawes wrote: >I think these fireside chats are great, but I would much rather see them >on the news server.

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-22 Thread Jerry Kreps
On Saturday 22 December 2001 01:34, Chris wrote: > >>Yes but things that are wrong because they are against the > >>law, not because of some deep moral principle, can be > >>changed through the political process. That's why it's important > >>not to call it theft or piracy when it's not theft or p

Re: [sword-devel] fireside chat

2001-12-22 Thread Jerry Kreps
On Saturday 22 December 2001 11:45, David Burry wrote: > every news reader I've ever tried sucks, can someone recommend a > good news reader? or can we move it to an email list? > > Dave > > At 05:48 AM 12/22/2001 -0500, Tim Hawes wrote: > >I think these fireside chats are great, but I would much

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-22 Thread Chris
Tim Hawes wrote: >I think these fireside chats are great, but I would much rather see them >on the news server. > I'm CCing to fireside for possible follow-ups. >Chris, before you go on long tirades on socialism, > I'm not a raving socialist you know. Just wait till some hard-core socialists g

Re: [sword-devel] fireside chat

2001-12-22 Thread Chris
Netscape? Mozilla? David Burry wrote: > every news reader I've ever tried sucks, can someone recommend a good > news reader? or can we move it to an email list? > > Dave > > At 05:48 AM 12/22/2001 -0500, Tim Hawes wrote: > >> I think these fireside chats are great, but I would much rather see

Re: [sword-devel] OT: can you be a Christian evolutionist?

2001-12-22 Thread Leon Brooks
On Friday 21 December 2001 08:27, Jerry Kreps wrote: >> This is not completely OT because integrating a creationist (and >> necessarilyanti-evolutionist) commentary module into Sword's >> collection is a fabulous idea. As is a >> resolving-apparent-contradictions module. > What a splendid idea!

[sword-devel] Why I think there should be a Sword 1.5.4

2001-12-22 Thread Chris Little
I believe there are a lot of important things missing from Sword that should be addressed before we move to 1.6.0. I feel they are sufficiently important that we should address them immediately rather than waiting some number of years until we start working on 1.7. And they will require signific

[sword-devel] InstallMgr

2001-12-22 Thread Chris Little
There's been talk of doing an InstallMgr for Linux & Windows with a unified codebase. My proposition was to use wxWindows, but Troy pointed out to me why that won't be necessary. Most of the InstallMgr code is cross-platform, thanks to Troy's port of VCL to Linux. To my understanding, InstallMg

Re: [sword-devel] OT: can you be a Christian evolutionist?

2001-12-22 Thread Leon Brooks
On Friday 21 December 2001 13:50, Chris wrote: >> The first is a claim to creation ex nihilo, the second >> the fulfilled prophecy. Other ancient books make creation claims, but all >> of them involve supernatural beings modifying pre-existent material. > Don't get me wrong. I'm not an apoligist

Re: [sword-devel] is OSS unBiblical?

2001-12-22 Thread Leon Brooks
Somebody wrote (sorry, I missed the original): > While I think there are practical benefits to the O.S. movement, I > believe their is an ideology or better a philosophy that tends to > undergird it which is unbiblical, that is, to own something is wrong. Marxism and derivatives, yes. Socialism i

Re: [sword-devel] universal consensus

2001-12-22 Thread Leon Brooks
On Friday 21 December 2001 13:51, Michael Rempel wrote: > Ok, the authoritative text is the Greek and the Hebrew original language > texts. Translation is no longer valid. Start learning. No other sources > will do for universal consensus. Bwahahaha! ROTFL! Consensus! Among those called Christian

Re: [sword-devel] Spending $1,000,000 in development and giving away the fruits

2001-12-22 Thread Leon Brooks
On Friday 21 December 2001 02:16, Chris Little wrote: >> On the other hand you cant have the Torah scroll at my >> Messianic Synagogue for any price and you would have a hard >> time getting your hands on one at any price if you wanted >> one. Jewish scroll dealers dont sell to non-Jews, they dont

Re: [sword-devel] Should we support evolutionary propaganda?

2001-12-22 Thread Leon Brooks
On Friday 21 December 2001 03:20, Lutz, Tom wrote: > I know that we're not missing the main idea but I can't resist... Wlll... I dunno, I think these things need thrashing out from time to time, perhaps we need a FAQ entry for it? > What do we think the main populace of Bible software users

Re: [sword-devel] GNU and OS ideologies applied to translation

2001-12-22 Thread Leon Brooks
On Friday 21 December 2001 00:17, Timothy R. Butler wrote: >> Single translation line texts dont have that problem. I can say that the >> Living Bible is less than scholarly, and show you why, but your notion >> leaves no way of saying much of anything. If you cant fix the text when >> it is wron

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-22 Thread Leon Brooks
On Saturday 22 December 2001 00:23, Timothy R. Butler wrote: >> Being new to the C++ world I have no idea what QT is? I know what JFC >> (Swing) is, and I know that it's cross platform. > It's the GUI toolkit that powers the K Desktop Environment (and thus > BibleTime), Qtopia (the GUI for the up

Re: [sword-devel] OT: can you be a Christian evolutionist?

2001-12-22 Thread Leon Brooks
On Saturday 22 December 2001 07:59, Chris wrote: >> Winning is getting more work out of a system than the equivilent >> energy put in. > The laws of thermodynamics are all about energy and energy > loss. But the energy into the system called earth is the > Sun. And while the Sun is burning into s

Re: [sword-devel] fireside chat

2001-12-22 Thread Leon Brooks
On Sunday 23 December 2001 01:45, David Burry wrote: > every news reader I've ever tried sucks, can someone recommend a good news > reader? or can we move it to an email list? http://groups.google.com/ ? Cheers; Leon

Re: [sword-devel] OT: can you be a Christian evolutionist?

2001-12-22 Thread fred smith
On Sun, Dec 23, 2001 at 09:19:08AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Friday 21 December 2001 13:50, Chris wrote: > > Don't get me wrong. I'm not an apoligist for evolution - not at all. > > But I can see where a Christian might say, well God created > > everything, but maybe he didn't snap his finge

Re: [sword-devel] END THREADS

2001-12-22 Thread Leon Brooks
On Saturday 22 December 2001 08:06, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Ok, guys... Thanks for the interesting conversation. This is official > notice to take these threads to the fireside newsgroup: > news://crosswire.org/crosswire.fireside Oops, sorry! )-: Didn't read down far enough. Cheers;

Re: [sword-devel] Should we support evolutionary propaganda?

2001-12-22 Thread PAProphet
In a message dated 12/22/2001 9:07:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In fact, given that the sole target of such spending is creation, we should as Christians (or, for that matter, as followers of Judaism or Islam) be doing EVERYTHING WE CAN to wean people AWAY from Microso