Re: [sword-devel] usfm2osis.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Adrian Korten
g'day, Thanks for picking up on that. It was actually the latter quesion about good OSIS structure - 'Book/Chapter/Verse vs. Book/Section/Paragraph'. This was not initially discussed but it came out later in DM Smith's email about 'BCV' and 'BSP'. As I now understand it, Crosswire has traditio

[sword-devel] Query OSIS - files directly

2008-07-01 Thread Wolfgang Schultz
Hi, i have made some experiments with direct access to OSIS and Zefania XML files i found it is not longer necessary to convert them in an intermediate file format like sword it does. it would perhaps be good idea if the moduls would also be distributed as OSIS files. Quering a vers from a big Z

Re: [sword-devel] problems with BibleCS 1.5.11

2008-07-01 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Chris Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There's no regression. Most of these issues have never been features. > Only JPEG files are supported at this time. GnomeSword uses PNGs. (GIFs > are also not supported. I can see some limited value writing a PNG > decoder, but I can't see value in suppo

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS files where to find and any

2008-07-01 Thread Nelson Lim
Thanks wolfgang. Hi David, actually i was in contact with goBible. I am trying to work on a native iphone bible software, so it wouldn't really be able to built on what goBible has done in terms of the client. I still need help trying to understand the OSIS format though. It seems goBible convert

Re: [sword-devel] GoBible

2008-07-01 Thread Greg Hellings
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Peter von Kaehne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris Little wrote: >> >> Peter von Kaehne wrote: >>> We have a fair number of Bibles which are only distributable via >>> Crosswire due to to the permissions given to us - but expanding our work >>> into GoBible would se

Re: [sword-devel] GoBible

2008-07-01 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Chris Little wrote: > > Peter von Kaehne wrote: >> We have a fair number of Bibles which are only distributable via >> Crosswire due to to the permissions given to us - but expanding our work >> into GoBible would seem like a natural extension to what Crosswire does >> anyway. Should we not consid

Re: [sword-devel] GoBible

2008-07-01 Thread Chris Little
Peter von Kaehne wrote: > We have a fair number of Bibles which are only distributable via > Crosswire due to to the permissions given to us - but expanding our work > into GoBible would seem like a natural extension to what Crosswire does > anyway. Should we not consider > > a) creating GoBible

Re: [sword-devel] Ukrainian module - numerical residues in 1 Chronicles 1 and Isaiah 1

2008-07-01 Thread Chris Little
David Haslam wrote: > Although the country code for the Ukraine is ua, CCEL had used the two > letter acronym uk for this module. > Strange but true. uk is the ISO 639-1 code for Ukrainian (the language). --Chris ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-d

Re: [sword-devel] Ukrainian Bibles, CCEL and Unbound Bible Project?

2008-07-01 Thread David Haslam
Sorry - the conf file does state clearly "About=Ivan Ogienko Ukrainian Bible, 1930\par Courtesy the Unbound Bible (http://unbound.biola.edu/)" So the only mystery is why it is no longer listed at Biola. -- David David Haslam wrote: > > It may not have been taken directly from the CCEL file, y

Re: [sword-devel] Ukrainian Bibles, CCEL and Unbound Bible Project?

2008-07-01 Thread David Haslam
It may not have been taken directly from the CCEL file, yet their XML file and the SWORD module both contained the same spurious numerical residues that I reported in another topic. This would seem to be evidence that there was a common source for both. -- David Chris Little-2 wrote: > > >

Re: [sword-devel] GoBible

2008-07-01 Thread David Haslam
Peter had previously written to me suggesting closer collaboration. I would certainly support that. I hope that Jolon will also. NB. Generally speaking he has less time to devote to it nowadays. The source code is available from http:// http://code.google.com/p/gobible/ I have established con

Re: [sword-devel] Ukrainian module - numerical residues in 1 Chronicles 1 and Isaiah 1

2008-07-01 Thread David Haslam
Attempting to upload a file here just egg timed, so I have resorted to other means. Download it from a shared folder in my box.net account http://www.box.net/shared/ot3oodov4g http://www.box.net/shared/ot3oodov4g The actual filename is uk.clean.zip and contains uk.clean.xml Although the country

[sword-devel] GoBible

2008-07-01 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Some of you might have seen or used already GoBible. It is a small JME programme for mobile phones capable of displaying and searching a single Bible. A while back the developer (Jolon) decided to lay open the source and dedicate the programme (actual programme and module creator) to teh public dom

Re: [sword-devel] Ukrainian module - numerical residues in 1 Chronicles 1 and Isaiah 1

2008-07-01 Thread David Haslam
I have just made a special TextPipe filter to clean up the CCEL file ua.xml I will post download details shortly. -- David -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Ukrainian-module---numerical-residues-in-1-Chronicles-1-and-Isaiah-1-tp18156696p1822.html Sent from the SWORD D

Re: [sword-devel] Ukrainian Bibles, CCEL and Unbound Bible Project?

2008-07-01 Thread Chris Little
David Haslam wrote: > Can anyone shed light on the following? > > The SWORD module "Ukrainian" is the whole Bible of 66 books, as derived from > the CCEL file (ThML format). No Sword Bible has ever been based on CCEL content. The TextSource line in the module's .conf file will, more often than

Re: [sword-devel] Ukrainian Bibles, CCEL and Unbound Bible Project?

2008-07-01 Thread Greg Hellings
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:35 PM, David Haslam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can anyone shed light on the following? > > The SWORD module "Ukrainian" is the whole Bible of 66 books, as derived from > the CCEL file (ThML format). > Actually it's less than the real Ukrainian whole Bible, which usually

[sword-devel] Ukrainian Bibles, CCEL and Unbound Bible Project?

2008-07-01 Thread David Haslam
Can anyone shed light on the following? The SWORD module "Ukrainian" is the whole Bible of 66 books, as derived from the CCEL file (ThML format). Actually it's less than the real Ukrainian whole Bible, which usually includes the Deuterocanonical books, as part of the Eastern Canon. The CCEL down

Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod and preverse content

2008-07-01 Thread DM Smith
Greg Hellings wrote: > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:03 PM, DM Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Some background: >> >> osis2mod takes all the text in its input, dices it up into verses and >> stores that in the module. >> >> A SWORD module contains only verses, with special verses to hold >> int

Re: [sword-devel] Why is OSIS preferred? Was Re: usfm2osis.pl

2008-07-01 Thread David Haslam
I would if I had more free time, but as it is, even now I have changed from full time employment to part time (taking every Monday off since June 1st), there is a limit as to how deeply I can be involved in SWORD development. You already know what takes up most of my "leisure time", so you will r

Re: [sword-devel] osis2mod and preverse content

2008-07-01 Thread Greg Hellings
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:03 PM, DM Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some background: > > osis2mod takes all the text in its input, dices it up into verses and > stores that in the module. > > A SWORD module contains only verses, with special verses to hold > introductions to testament, book and c

[sword-devel] osis2mod and preverse content

2008-07-01 Thread DM Smith
Some background: osis2mod takes all the text in its input, dices it up into verses and stores that in the module. A SWORD module contains only verses, with special verses to hold introductions to testament, book and chapters. There are several kinds of text that can fall before a verse: 1) Tes

[sword-devel] Displaying metadata from SWORD?

2008-07-01 Thread David Haslam
A lot of other Bible software programs include a quick option to display the metadata about each module. I haven't found any option within SWORD v1.5.11 (or earlier versions) which enables the user to see this information about the currently selected module. The most you get is the simple mouse-

Re: [sword-devel] Why is OSIS preferred? Was Re: usfm2osis.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Chris Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Charis SIL: > Doulos SIL: FYI, for Linux users, you can generally get SIL fonts to auto-install from your package manager, as part of the usual repositories for your distribution. For Fedora, these are available: abyssinica-fonts charis-fonts doulous-fo

Re: [sword-devel] MacSword bug?

2008-07-01 Thread DM Smith
Manfred Bergmann wrote: > 1.4.0b2 has arrived. > NAXLex and Websters (TEI modules) now show correctly with no markup. > Some more fixes to options menu hasles. > > > Websters 1913 takes some time to load though. Is this normal? > It is normal for MacSword. Just a guess: the problem is that it lo

Re: [sword-devel] Why is OSIS preferred? Was Re: usfm2osis.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Chris Little
Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > David Haslam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> There are needed some improvements in punctuation - >> eg. sometimes there's no space after a full-stop in the jvn module. > > That might be legitimate in those languages; I wouldn't know. But the > modules' *.conf mention t

Re: [sword-devel] MacSword bug?

2008-07-01 Thread Manfred Bergmann
1.4.0b2 has arrived. NAXLex and Websters (TEI modules) now show correctly with no markup. Some more fixes to options menu hasles. Websters 1913 takes some time to load though. Is this normal? Manfred Am 30.06.2008 um 23:09 schrieb Peter von Kaehne: > Greg Hellings wrote: >> Which version o

[sword-devel] osis2mod and container elements

2008-07-01 Thread DM Smith
I'd like to propose a change to osis2mod and get consensus before making the change. The goal of osis2mod is to allow any valid OSIS as input and to transform it, if necessary to a form that SWORD apps can handle, and do it in a loss-less manner. However, that is not reality. An encoder needs t

Re: [sword-devel] Why is OSIS preferred? Was Re: usfm2osis.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Peter von Kaehne
David Haslam wrote: > > There are needed some improvements in punctuation - > eg. sometimes there's no space after a full-stop in the jvn module. Could you put these findings into the wiki? http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/index.php/Modules_in_the_beta_repository#Wycliffe_Bibles Thanks Peter __

Re: [sword-devel] Why is OSIS preferred? Was Re: usfm2osis.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
David Haslam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Are we allowed to know who the main contact is at WBT/SIL for > permitting these to be used by Crosswire? I'm sure Troy knows; I'm not personally familiar, but I just looked at *.conf and noticed origin + date. > I just tried two of these modules in SWOR

Re: [sword-devel] Why is OSIS preferred? Was Re: usfm2osis.pl

2008-07-01 Thread David Haslam
Hi Karl, Are we allowed to know who the main contact is at WBT/SIL for permitting these to be used by Crosswire? I just tried two of these modules in SWORD 1.5.11 out of curiosity. * jvn_BL_1999 * miz_BL_2003 What languages are these, anyone know? There are needed some improvements in punctuati

Re: [sword-devel] Why is OSIS preferred? Was Re: usfm2osis.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Chris Little
DM Smith wrote: > Of the current ThML module, there are 106 glossaries. (These probably would > be best to be encoded in TEI.) If we ignore these, since most people find > them useless and ignore them and because most front-ends can't do anything > useful with them, the number of ThML modules

Re: [sword-devel] Why is OSIS preferred? Was Re: usfm2osis.pl

2008-07-01 Thread DM Smith
Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > "Jonathan Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> ThML is also still (I think) used by the greatest percentage of our >> modules (though that may be changed in the future). >> > ... > >> Will GBF continue to be supported? I seem to remember that Chris >> report

Re: [sword-devel] Why is OSIS preferred? Was Re: usfm2osis.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Chris Little
Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > "Jonathan Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> ThML is also still (I think) used by the greatest percentage of our >> modules (though that may be changed in the future). > ... >> Will GBF continue to be supported? I seem to remember that Chris >> reported lack of GBF sup

[sword-devel] osis2mod and WoC

2008-07-01 Thread DM Smith
I'd like to propose a change to osis2mod and get consensus before making the change. The goal of osis2mod is to allow any valid OSIS as input and to transform it, if necessary to a form that SWORD apps can handle, and do it in a loss-less manner. However, that is not reality. An encoder needs

Re: [sword-devel] Why is OSIS preferred? Was Re: usfm2osis.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
"Jonathan Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ThML is also still (I think) used by the greatest percentage of our > modules (though that may be changed in the future). ... > Will GBF continue to be supported? I seem to remember that Chris > reported lack of GBF support as a missing feature in BP

Re: [sword-devel] Why is OSIS preferred? Was Re: usfm2osis.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Chris Little
>>** ThML is xml, but is layered upon HTML. It does not separate >> presentation from content. Cross-references are ad-hoc. > > ThML is also still (I think) used by the greatest percentage of our > modules (though that may be changed in the future). > > Separating presentation from content is

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS files where to find and any references?

2008-07-01 Thread Wolfgang Schultz
Hi, there isn't a lot of pur osis material. http://www.crosswire.org/~chrislit/osis/texts/ wolfgang http://truesharpswordapi2008.bibleworkplace.de/ http://www.zefania.de 2008/7/1 David Troidl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Nelson Lim wrote: >> >> Hi guys, >> >> I'm exploring OSIS and how it cou

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS files where to find and any references?

2008-07-01 Thread DM Smith
On Jul 1, 2008, at 8:02 AM, David Troidl wrote: > Nelson Lim wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> I'm exploring OSIS and how it could interface with a mobile >> application I'm trying to develop, >> but I'm new and I am unable to find many resources that really talk >> about the OSIS format/how to use it

Re: [sword-devel] usfm2osis.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Chris Little
Adrian Korten wrote: > Good day, > > I'm a newbie with OSIS. Could someone say why you would prefer one over > the other? Or how this relates to how Crosswire handles the files? > > ak My interpretation of this question (in contrast to the existing responses) was that it was not a question o

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS files where to find and any references?

2008-07-01 Thread David Troidl
Nelson Lim wrote: Hi guys, I'm exploring OSIS and how it could interface with a mobile application I'm trying to develop, but I'm new and I am unable to find many resources that really talk about the OSIS format/how to use it/ and where to find OSIS files that I can experiment with. Any adv

Re: [sword-devel] Why is OSIS preferred? Was Re: usfm2osis.pl

2008-07-01 Thread DM Smith
On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:13 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: > Will GBF continue to be supported? I seem to remember that Chris > reported lack of GBF support as a missing feature in BPBible, despite > the fact that I'm sure that I have heard statements suggesting GBF is > very strongly deprecated. How m

Re: [sword-devel] Why is OSIS preferred? Was Re: usfm2osis.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 12:48 AM, DM Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Adrian Korten wrote: >> Good day, >> >> I'm a newbie with OSIS. Could someone say why you would prefer one over >> the other? Or how this relates to how Crosswire handles the files? >> >> ak > Adrian, I'll try to limit my skept

Re: [sword-devel] MacSword bug?

2008-07-01 Thread Manfred Bergmann
"make install" doesn't install the teihtmlref.h include file. teiplain.h and teirtf.h is there but not the other one. Manfred Am 01.07.2008 um 10:00 schrieb Chris Little: > They all use TEI. If you use the HTMLHREF filters, then an early > version > of TEIHTMLHREF is available. If you use th

Re: [sword-devel] MacSword bug?

2008-07-01 Thread Chris Little
They all use TEI. If you use the HTMLHREF filters, then an early version of TEIHTMLHREF is available. If you use the plain HTML filters, it still hasn't been written. (Does anyone still use the plain HTML filters?) --Chris Manfred Bergmann wrote: > Hmm. The crash was for NASLex not for Strongs

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS files where to find and any references?

2008-07-01 Thread David Haslam
Hi Nelson, Are you already acquainted with http://go-bible.org/ Go Bible for Java enabled mobile phones? If not, please contact me after visiting the website and the Go Bible forum. There may be some synergy between your planned mobile development and what already exists. David Haslam Nelso

Re: [sword-devel] MacSword bug?

2008-07-01 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Hmm. The crash was for NASLex not for Strongs... However I think I know why the markup is shown. Which kind of source if NASLex and the Websters? Do I have to add another HTML filter? Manfred Am 01.07.2008 um 09:38 schrieb Manfred Bergmann: > Thanks for testing. > > I found some more problem

Re: [sword-devel] MacSword bug?

2008-07-01 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Thanks for testing. I found some more problems. MacSword crashes for StrongsGreek and StrongsHebrew. For KJVD i.e. no markup is shown however. I will see what's wrong. Sword 1.5.11 is used, yes. Manfred Am 30.06.2008 um 23:09 schrieb Peter von Kaehne: > Greg Hellings wrote: >> Which version