Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Tonny Kohar
Hi, On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:00 AM, DM Smith wrote: > Tonny Kohar wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Tonny Kohar >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, DM Smith wrote: >>> Both MacSword and JSword will set the install location to >>

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread DM Smith
Troy A. Griffitts wrote: OK, so would this be a fair assessment of the requests on the table? To the C++ Engine add searching in: $HOME/Library/Application Support/sword $APPDATA/sword $ALLUSERSPROFILE/sword Change the C++ Engine to 'augment' the installed module list with any works found on

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Greg Hellings
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Eeli Kaikkonen wrote: > 2. The end user should have the final word after the initial phase. We > should think what happens when the user installs the first application, then > installs some modules with that, then installs another application, installs > modules wi

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread DM Smith
Tonny Kohar wrote: Hi, On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Tonny Kohar wrote: Hi, On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, DM Smith wrote: Both MacSword and JSword will set the install location to ~/Library/Application Support/Sword. Just quick questions, is that Mac OSX location (~/L

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
Troy A. Griffitts wrote: OK, so would this be a fair assessment of the requests on the table? To the C++ Engine add searching in: $HOME/Library/Application Support/sword $APPDATA/sword $ALLUSERSPROFILE/sword Change the C++ Engine to 'augment' the installed module list with any works found on

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Self-Installer Modules

2008-12-19 Thread DM Smith
Troy A. Griffitts wrote: But if it is required, wouldn't a better solution be for a discovery mechanism to be part of SWORD? Then it would be available for all platforms. Sorry DM, I tried to say that the current mechanism is in the SWORD engine. It is part of SWMgr and is activated if a [G

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 19.12.2008 um 20:51 schrieb Tonny Kohar: Hi, On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Tonny Kohar wrote: Hi, On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, DM Smith wrote: Both MacSword and JSword will set the install location to ~/Library/Application Support/Sword. Just quick questions, is that Mac

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Self-Installer Modules

2008-12-19 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
But if it is required, wouldn't a better solution be for a discovery mechanism to be part of SWORD? Then it would be available for all platforms. Sorry DM, I tried to say that the current mechanism is in the SWORD engine. It is part of SWMgr and is activated if a [Globals] AutoInstall= entr

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Self-Installer Modules

2008-12-19 Thread Peter von Kaehne
DM Smith wrote: >> That would satisfy the requirement if it still exists anywhere. > > This is still Windows centric. Realistically I think windows is the only place where large scale non-module installer installation will happen. Peter ___ sword-deve

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Self-Installer Modules

2008-12-19 Thread DM Smith
Peter von Kaehne wrote: Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Sorry Barry, yes, I forgot to include the request to cause the windows installer to not use the InstallScan facility in the SWORD engine. I had planned to comment on this. The SWORD Engine also supports notification of new modules installed.

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Self-Installer Modules

2008-12-19 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Sorry Barry, yes, I forgot to include the request to cause the windows > installer to not use the InstallScan facility in the SWORD engine. I > had planned to comment on this. > > > The SWORD Engine also supports notification of new modules installed. > This was added

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread DM Smith
Troy A. Griffitts wrote: OK, so would this be a fair assessment of the requests on the table? To the C++ Engine add searching in: $HOME/Library/Application Support/sword $APPDATA/sword $ALLUSERSPROFILE/sword Please use Sword and not sword. It matters for the first one as that is what MacSwor

[sword-devel] Windows Self-Installer Modules

2008-12-19 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Sorry Barry, yes, I forgot to include the request to cause the windows installer to not use the InstallScan facility in the SWORD engine. I had planned to comment on this. The SWORD Engine also supports notification of new modules installed. This was added many years ago at the request of pu

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Barry Drake wrote: > Hi Troy > > Just wondering: the use of a 'pending' directory into which the new > module is unpacked following opening of a Windows module installer .exe > is very much BibleCS only. It is actually quite weird and totally unexpected. Why was this chosen? > It migh

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Tonny Kohar
Hi, On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Tonny Kohar wrote: > Hi, > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, DM Smith wrote: >> >> Both MacSword and JSword will set the install location to >> ~/Library/Application Support/Sword. > > Just quick questions, is that Mac OSX location (~/Library/Application >

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Barry Drake
Hi Troy Troy A. Griffitts wrote: OK, so would this be a fair assessment of the requests on the table? Just wondering: the use of a 'pending' directory into which the new module is unpacked following opening of a Windows module installer .exe is very much BibleCS only. It might be n

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Barry Drake
Hi Troy Troy A. Griffitts wrote: OK, so would this be a fair assessment of the requests on the table? Just wondering: the use of a 'pending' directory into which the new module is unpacked following opening of a Windows module installer .exe is very much BibleCS only. It might be n

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Tonny Kohar
Hi, On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:06 PM, DM Smith wrote: > > Both MacSword and JSword will set the install location to > ~/Library/Application Support/Sword. Just quick questions, is that Mac OSX location (~/Library/Application Support/Sword) is mapped into env variable which is accesssible/able to

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
OK, so would this be a fair assessment of the requests on the table? To the C++ Engine add searching in: $HOME/Library/Application Support/sword $APPDATA/sword $ALLUSERSPROFILE/sword Change the C++ Engine to 'augment' the installed module list with any works found on any path, instead of the p

Re: [sword-devel] Building GnomeSword on Fedora 10

2008-12-19 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
fred smith writes: > Do you mean libxml2, or do you mean libxml ? if the latter, that's REALLY old > and I don't see any libxml packages for Fedora. I could always build one /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libxml-2.0.pc is delivered as part of the libxml2-devel package. > And gtk+-2.0 doesn't seem to be

Re: [sword-devel] Building GnomeSword on Fedora 10

2008-12-19 Thread fred smith
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:12:41PM -0500, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > fred smith writes: > > checking for GNOME... no > > so, what is it trying to tell me in that last line? That I don't have > > Gnome on my system? Balderdash! :) I surely do! > > configure is looking for these packages as its expec

Re: [sword-devel] PDAs icon - tooltip = Handhelds and Mobile Phones

2008-12-19 Thread Peter von Kaehne
David Haslam wrote: > Can this visual weakness be improved somehow? One for Peter, I think. I would love to, but I have not found a good icon to replace that one. The problem is that any icon you use there needs to be free in terms of copyrights etc. If you find one which will somehow convey bet

[sword-devel] PDAs icon - tooltip = Handhelds and Mobile Phones

2008-12-19 Thread David Haslam
Thanks for all the stirling work that Peter has been doing to improve the website, and to everyone who has submitted helpful feedback and comments. I have a minor gripe about the PDAs icon, from the viewpoint of someone from the Mobile Phone community. The icon being one for a PDA does not imme

Re: [sword-devel] Re New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Thanks DM for the response. I summarise then further ; The self installing modules do not install to any standard place and are currently unable to work with non BibleCS. They are not self installing as such as they still require an unzip and the 2 stage process is currently undocumented and not u

Re: [sword-devel] Re New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread DM Smith
On Dec 19, 2008, at 7:09 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: The instructions should say to use the built-in app installer, or otherwise download the Windows > package and install it. Sorry, this is confusing to me right now : Do you mean with "Windows package" the user should install *Bi

Re: [sword-devel] NET bible installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread DM Smith
On Dec 19, 2008, at 5:54 AM, Barry Drake wrote: Hi there .. I suggest that someone check out the download for BibleDesktop as well - I think that there was a problem a while back. Has this been resolved? I think so. The problem was that the http was shut off. Now it is open again

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread DM Smith
On Dec 19, 2008, at 3:08 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Just a few comments. ... snip.. One of them is probably what BibleCS does right now-- putting modules in ./ This does not allow another application to find the installed module set. I THOUGHT (DM can comment on this) that we set

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread DM Smith
On Dec 19, 2008, at 2:08 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:55 AM, Matthew Talbert > wrote: SWORD plays fine on Windows if you point SWORD_PATH to where the modules are installed. Handling whether they are writable by the user is a system administration issue, and should be

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread DM Smith
On Dec 19, 2008, at 1:43 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Matthew Talbert > wrote: Having spent a good part of the day trouble-shooting issues all related to this, I can say with certainty that SWORD does not play well on Windows at the present. SWORD plays fine on W

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread DM Smith
On Dec 19, 2008, at 12:44 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: The appropriate response to where modules are officially found on any OS by the SWORD engine (should also be with JSword as well) is: Perhaps, I should have read through the full thread before responding http://crosswire.org

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread David Haslam
Everyone, Please consider the situations for shared machines, such as a Windows PC shared in a home where one of the family is a believer and another isn't. e.g. Christian married (prior to his/her conversion) to a non-Christian. In this case having the application modules in shared directories

[sword-devel] Re New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Peter von Kaehne
> The instructions should say to use the built-in app installer, or otherwise > download the Windows > package and install it. Sorry, this is confusing to me right now : Do you mean with "Windows package" the user should install *BibleCS* or the *winzip* from the repository? If form

[sword-devel] NET bible installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Barry Drake
Hi there .. I've noticed that some users - especially Mac - have had difficulty with the NET bible modules. The NET for Sword instructions are found at: http://www.bible.org/assets/sword/ with a link to a page for each flavour of Sword. None of them have changed since I put them up when I

[sword-devel] Windows Module Scheme

2008-12-19 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Since this thread has morphed into another discussion on how to play nice with eachother, can we get a consensus on where we think sword modules should live on different versions of windows? My vote is for the global system module install (similar to /usr/share/sword on UNIX) to keep things wh

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
The Windows install for modules looks for where BibleCS is installed and unzips the module there. BibleDesktop supports this (as I think other frontends would support this if our installer sets SWORD_HOME). I don't want to confuse the majority of our current Windows users which either use Bi

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Matthew Talbert
> Which programmes can install modules from within their module installer > from a local location , say My Documents? If all can do so then I will > not give _any_ explanation where to unzip. It is just not worth it, I > think. > > Peter GS can do this, if the module is unzipped. Just thinking ab

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Ouch, what a can of worms I opened here with a question I thought being totally uncontentious. :-) Can I summarise the discussion for the purposes of my webpage: 1) Users should not install modules themselves 2) Users should not install modules themselves .. 10) Users _really_ should *not* inst

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Matthew Talbert
> I am pointing out how the SWORD engine looks for it's configuration. Has > anyone complaingin actually read the doc I pointed to? Yes, and the code, several times today. > of looking for configuration data allow for ANY imaginable configuration > which has been suggested. There is no need to a

Re: [sword-devel] New website - installation instructions

2008-12-19 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Just a few comments. I'm not telling people to do things the WRONG way. I am pointing out how the SWORD engine looks for it's configuration. Has anyone complaingin actually read the doc I pointed to? This complex method of looking for configuration data allow for ANY imaginable configuration