Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-08 Thread Daniel Owens
o: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" Sent: 1/7/09 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification As an aside - the simplest way to deal with alternate versification and parallel display would be to decouple (at least potentially) parallel column displa

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-07 Thread Peter von Kaehne
As an aside - the simplest way to deal with alternate versification and parallel display would be to decouple (at least potentially) parallel column displays. Poeple who deal regularly with translations which use diverging versificatins are probably well aware of the versification differences and

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Greg Hellings wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: >>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Greg Hellings >>> wrote: > 4. Bible references from commentaries, etc. use this mast

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Greg Hellings
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Greg Hellings >> wrote: 4. Bible references from commentaries, etc. use this master versification. >>> >>> Then the module creator needs to go

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: >>> 4. Bible references from commentaries, etc. use this master versification. >> >> Then the module creator needs to go through and convert all of their >> references to that master vers

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Eeli Kaikkonen wrote: > Familie von Kaehne wrote: >> Not correct. The TSK or any other reference work will have used an >> underlying particular versification - even if this is not documented. > > Not only that, but TSK uses explicitly several versifications. It ref

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Chris Little wrote: >>> Basically, alternate versification support is phase 1. Mapping between >>> versifications is phase 2. >> >> And I'm saying I do

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Chris Little wrote: > Basically, alternate versification support is phase 1. Mapping between > versifications is phase 2. > > Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> >> I am also concerned about the choice of using Genbooks to represent >> books, just based (as far as I can tell)

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread jhphx
Eeli wrote: Should the frontend give possibility to change the default v11n? Users may have accustomed to a certain scheme and would like to use it for all modules so that they can use their favorite translation and still find references in other modules easily. IMO: It would be good if the

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Barry Drake
Hi there ... Jonathan Morgan wrote: Exactly: and I say that is the wrong argument to use. We should have something that suits the problem, and I'm not convinced Genbook does. I think there may be a lack of understanding here: GenBook is poroposed as using the new versetreekey code which

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Chris Little
Greg Hellings wrote: So how do we label them? ""? Because the reason that they're in that version is because they're probably considered canonical by someone. Just to qualify what I said previously about the purpose of the canonical attribute: it's intended to identify the canonicity of a s

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Eeli Kaikkonen
Familie von Kaehne wrote: Not correct. The TSK or any other reference work will have used an underlying particular versification - even if this is not documented. Not only that, but TSK uses explicitly several versifications. It refers to LXX with LXX versification. It's indicated by "book c

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Greg Hellings
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Chris Little wrote: >> Basically, alternate versification support is phase 1. Mapping between >> versifications is phase 2. > > And I'm saying I don't believe it is ready for use without phase 2. And what I

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Chris Little wrote: > Basically, alternate versification support is phase 1. Mapping between > versifications is phase 2. And I'm saying I don't believe it is ready for use without phase 2. Jon ___ sword-devel mailing l

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Greg Hellings wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> Executive summary: I do not believe that alternate versification is >> useful without mapping between versifications, and I am not convinced >> that it is useful doing alternate versif

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Chris Little
Basically, alternate versification support is phase 1. Mapping between versifications is phase 2. Jonathan Morgan wrote: I am also concerned about the choice of using Genbooks to represent books, just based (as far as I can tell) on the fact that we already have Genbook support. Is there any t

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Greg Hellings
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Jonathan Morgan wrote: > Executive summary: I do not believe that alternate versification is > useful without mapping between versifications, and I am not convinced > that it is useful doing alternate versification with Genbooks. > > All of the work and discussion t

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Jonathan Morgan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Familie von Kaehne wrote: > Jonathan Morgan wrote: >> Executive summary: I do not believe that alternate versification is >> useful without mapping between versifications, and I am not convinced >> that it is useful doing alternate versification with Genbooks. >> >>

Re: [sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-06 Thread Familie von Kaehne
Jonathan Morgan wrote: > Executive summary: I do not believe that alternate versification is > useful without mapping between versifications, and I am not convinced > that it is useful doing alternate versification with Genbooks. > > All of the work and discussion that I have seen on alternate > v

[sword-devel] Concerns about Alternate Versification

2009-01-05 Thread Jonathan Morgan
Executive summary: I do not believe that alternate versification is useful without mapping between versifications, and I am not convinced that it is useful doing alternate versification with Genbooks. All of the work and discussion that I have seen on alternate versification to date has been conce