Re: [sword-devel] Proper sorting of pointed Hebrew

2016-01-18 Thread Aaron Christianson
I'm not at HU anymore. I did my MA there, but I'm back in Wisconsin now (brr). I have tried both of the fonts you mention. My preferred font for Hebrew is Taamey Frank from the Culmus project http://culmus.sourceforge.net/taamim/index.html, and it seems to render the holems and the vavs quite well,

Re: [sword-devel] Proper sorting of pointed Hebrew

2016-01-18 Thread David Haslam
A lot depends on the Unicode font chosen to display pointed Hebrew. Even Ezra SIL and SBL Hebrew have some issues for a few codepoint combinations. But at the HU of J you would have access to the best Hebrew fonts available. Best regards, David -- View this message in context: http://sword-

Re: [sword-devel] Proper sorting of pointed Hebrew

2016-01-18 Thread Aaron Christianson
Oh! I had recalled that there were some problems at times with the way vavs and holems were display next to each other because of the discrepancy between how holem vav is represented in Unicode vs betacode (the format used in the initial creation of the Michigan-Claremont text) but looking back

Re: [sword-devel] Proper sorting of pointed Hebrew

2016-01-18 Thread David Haslam
Aaron wrote, "However, if Babel Pad has a way to apply the normalization permanently to Hebrew, and if it is better than the canonical Unicode composition, that might be useful for pre-formatting sword modules before import. " I can confirm that BabelPad can apply normalization permanently. The

Re: [sword-devel] Proper sorting of pointed Hebrew

2016-01-18 Thread David Haslam
Further information: http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelPad.html BabelPad supports sorting of pointed Hebrew using either the Unicode Collation Algorithm (UCA) or the CLDR customization of the UCA, which do take into account all marks for Hebrew letters. I have requested a test file so

Re: [sword-devel] Proper sorting of pointed Hebrew

2016-01-18 Thread Aaron Christianson
Hey David, It depends on how it's implemented on how useful it is. Most text editors use normalization for display, but the characters are still stored as they were input, so it's really only useful for printingĀ or exporting to a format like PDF. However, if Babel Pad has a way to apply the nor

Re: [sword-devel] Proper sorting of pointed Hebrew

2016-01-17 Thread David Haslam
Dear Aaron, Though this is only indrectly related to sorting pointed Hebrew words, I thought you may like to know. BabelPad has a feature to apply a custom Unicode Normalization to pointed Hebrew text, based on the recommendations in the SBL Hebrew Font Users Manual. Download from http://www.bab

Re: [sword-devel] Proper sorting of pointed Hebrew

2016-01-16 Thread David Haslam
Thanks Aaron. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Proper-sorting-of-pointed-Hebrew-tp4655819p4655820.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@

[sword-devel] Proper sorting of pointed Hebrew

2016-01-15 Thread Aaron Christianson
In a previous thread (something about sorting various languages), I mentioned that there is no proper way to sort vocalized Hebrew using either Unicode points or local-based collation strings. This is because each vowel and accent is its own code point, but they are not considered to be "letters",