Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

On 09/02/2015 10:51 AM, David Haslam wrote: > those whose real module names include a lowercase > language code prefix are listed below all the modules that have a > capitalized [ModName]. An unintentional side effect that I intend to try to fix, caused by the modules arriving in the list in

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

> On Sep 2, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > > On 09/02/2015 10:51 AM, David Haslam wrote: >> those whose real module names include a lowercase >> language code prefix are listed below all the modules that have a >> capitalized [ModName]. > An unintentional side

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

OK. On my end with module generation, I'll not worry about abbreviation uniqueness if there are strong traditional abbreviations to use, but try to be unique most of the time in module generation. Any conflicts that slip through (especially across repositories)

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

On 09/01/2015 09:45 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: > The uniqueness of an abbreviation is not required as long as you never > try to look up which module corresponds to that abbreviation. If all > you do is use the abbreviation as a short way to display which text is > selected, i.e. just

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

Karl, can I summarise : 1) Abbreviations need to be bidirectional 2) Uniqueness needs to happen at user-level for bidirectionality to work. Not above. 3) Both across repos and internal to repos we can have one, some and many modules which carry the same abbreviation - KJV being the most

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

And in the sidebar, those whose real module names include a lowercase language code prefix are listed below all the modules that have a capitalized [ModName]. So (e.g.) Brenton comes after Worsley. (LOL) David -- View this message in context:

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

Karl wrote, "FYI, in Xiphos' module list trees -- sidebar, module manager, advanced search, and parallel bible/commentary selector trees -- modules with abbreviations show up as "Abbrev (Real)" so that it is clear to the user what he's getting when he sees the selections." That may have been the

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

On 09/02/2015 10:24 AM, David Haslam wrote: > The sidebar (etc) now just displays "Abbrev: Description" You're right, my mistake. The display of "Abbrev (Real)" is restricted to the module manager, which is where I figured it mattered most, or at all. By the time the user has installed a module,

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

On 08/31/2015 10:26 PM, David Haslam wrote: Yesterday, I added a note in the wiki page: http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/DevTools:conf_Files#cite_note-1 1. We strongly advise to avoid using an Abbreviation that's identical to the ModName or Abbreviation of any other

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

I forget what JSword and BD do now but it is different than back then. I’m pretty sure that Description doesn’t come into play anymore. — DM > On Sep 1, 2015, at 12:47 PM, David Haslam wrote: > > Hi DM, > > Yep - collisions are bad. > > I recall several years ago we

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

The uniqueness of an abbreviation is not required as long as you never try to look up which module corresponds to that abbreviation. If all you do is use the abbreviation as a short way to display which text is selected, i.e. just looking up the abbreviation

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

On 09/01/2015 12:19 PM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: I am in the middle of adding code to Xiphos that [a] ignores Abbreviation when it collides with an existing real module name, and [b] provides for the user to change Abbreviation at any time, which

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

This assumes uni-directional use of an abbreviation. Once it is used for input, that is bi-directional, given by a user by typing or otherwise, it has a problem. > On Sep 1, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Kahunapule Michael Johnson > wrote: > > The uniqueness of an abbreviation is

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

On September 1, 2015 3:59:09 PM EDT, Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote: >On 08/31/2015 10:26 PM, David Haslam wrote: > >Yesterday, I added a note in the wiki page: >http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/DevTools:conf_Files#cite_note-1 1. We >strongly advise to avoid using an

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

> On Sep 1, 2015, at 4:47 PM, David Judah's Shadow Blue > wrote: > > > So as a new frontend developer I'm confused. What is the purpose of the > Abbreviation conf entry and why world I want to use it over module name which > should already be shortish (at least

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

On Tue, 2015-09-01 at 16:47 -0400, David > > So as a new frontend developer I'm confused. What is the purpose of > the Abbreviation conf entry and why world I want to use it over > module name which should already be shortish (at least compared to > title)? If we could get it right then the

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

On 09/01/2015 09:29 AM, DM Smith wrote: > Having Abbreviation=KJV for a Thai module is clearly not the intent. To use > it within a repo with uniqueness by language is entirely a bad idea. I'm glad I didn't misunderstand this aspect. > Collisions are bad. There is always some nook or cranny in

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

On Tue, 2015-09-01 at 18:19 -0400, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > On 09/01/2015 09:29 AM, DM Smith wrote: > > Having Abbreviation=KJV for a Thai module is clearly not the > > intent. To use it within a repo with uniqueness by language is > > entirely a bad idea. > I'm glad I didn't misunderstand this

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

Hi DM, Yep - collisions are bad. I recall several years ago we had a conversation about having two versions of the same module in Bible Desktop, and being informed that there was a further requirement that the Description strings also had to be different. I don't think we ever documented this in

Re: [sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

> On Sep 1, 2015, at 9:01 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > > On Tue, 2015-09-01 at 01:26 -0700, David Haslam wrote: >> Yesterday, I added a note in the wiki page: >> >> http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/DevTools:conf_Files#cite_note-1 >> >> 1. We strongly advise to avoid using an

[sword-devel] Semantic problem: real module names vs. Abbreviation=XYZ

The particular example at hand is KJV vs. engKJV2006. I know that Michael is removing the latter from eBible repo, but this is a specific instance of a general problem. So I will use it as my example. Problem: KJV is a real module name. engKJV2006.conf contains Abbreviation=KJV. David Haslam