RE: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2002-01-09 Thread John Gardner
and the Jezreelite with the vinyard. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 2:51 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman > > > Ti

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-22 Thread Leon Brooks
On Saturday 22 December 2001 00:23, Timothy R. Butler wrote: >> Being new to the C++ world I have no idea what QT is? I know what JFC >> (Swing) is, and I know that it's cross platform. > It's the GUI toolkit that powers the K Desktop Environment (and thus > BibleTime), Qtopia (the GUI for the up

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-22 Thread Chris
Tim Hawes wrote: >I think these fireside chats are great, but I would much rather see them >on the news server. > I'm CCing to fireside for possible follow-ups. >Chris, before you go on long tirades on socialism, > I'm not a raving socialist you know. Just wait till some hard-core socialists g

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-22 Thread Jerry Kreps
On Saturday 22 December 2001 01:34, Chris wrote: > >>Yes but things that are wrong because they are against the > >>law, not because of some deep moral principle, can be > >>changed through the political process. That's why it's important > >>not to call it theft or piracy when it's not theft or p

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-22 Thread Tim Hawes
I think these fireside chats are great, but I would much rather see them on the news server. Chris, before you go on long tirades on socialism, familiarize yourself with Ludwig von Mises book on Socialism. Socialism is not about "having all things in common", but rather the government owning ever

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-22 Thread Chris
David Burry wrote: >I believe he's just saying that it is called "stealing intellectual >property" only because the law of the land says it is, not because the >Bible says it is. > I have to be clear. *Neither* says it is stealing. It is copyright violation.

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-22 Thread David Burry
I believe he's just saying that it is called "stealing intellectual property" only because the law of the land says it is, not because the Bible says it is. The moral Biblical laws are immutable and unchangeable principles, laws of the land are not and can be easily changed. Therefore there is

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-21 Thread Chris
>>Yes but things that are wrong because they are against the >>law, not because of some deep moral principle, can be >>changed through the political process. That's why it's important >>not to call it theft or piracy when it's not theft or piracy. >> > > I don't understand, how is stealing intel

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-21 Thread Timothy R. Butler
Chris, > Yes but things that are wrong because they are against the > law, not because of some deep moral principle, can be > changed through the political process. That's why it's important > not to call it theft or piracy when it's not theft or piracy. I don't understand, how is stealing inte

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-21 Thread Mike Dougherty
On Fri, 2001-12-21 at 12:26, Bobby Nations wrote: [snip] > > P.S. Sorry I haven't been contributing to JSword lately, but my linux box > went belly up. I should have it back up and running (with a little help > from Santa :) soon. How about if I start with the classes in > org.crosswire.sword.k

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-21 Thread Chris
Yes but things that are wrong because they are against the law, not because of some deep moral principle, can be changed through the political process. That's why it's important not to call it theft or piracy when it's not theft or piracy. David Burry wrote: >Show me that floppy or CD, whose lo

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-21 Thread Jerry Kreps
On Friday 21 December 2001 00:11, Mike Dougherty wrote: > On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 16:42, Jerry Kreps wrote: > > On Thursday 20 December 2001 13:20, Lutz, Tom wrote: > > > I know that we're not missing the main idea but I can't > > > resist... > > > > > > What do we think the main populace of Bible s

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-21 Thread David Burry
Show me that floppy or CD, whose logo and copyright are on it? Render unto them the things that are theirs, and unto God the things that are God's. This was unpopular in Christ's day too, which is why He didn't further explain, just let people mull over it. But I'm going to explain, so please

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-21 Thread Chris
> > >In some cases, the Christian nature of software piracy should be raised. I know >of a few Christian organizations that do it quite a bit and it doesn't even >register with them that it is theft. > It's not theft or piracy. It's copyright violation. It's wrong, but not because of the ten c

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-21 Thread Ian S. Nelson
"Timothy R. Butler" wrote: > Hi, > > I have often compared Stallman to socialism. While I think there are > > practical benefits to the O.S. movement, I believe their is an ideology or > > better a philosophy that tends to undergird it which is unbiblical, that > > is, to own something is wrong.

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-21 Thread Timothy R. Butler
Hi Bobby, > QT is a graphics toolkit put out by TrollTech (www.trolltech.com) that > serves as the foundation for all of the KDE interface. Originally is was > available purely in commercial license, but they've released a somewhat > open source license for use on open source projects. Actuall

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-21 Thread Bobby Nations
Mike Dougherty wrote: > > Besides, Tom, when you use a wiget set like QT you have > > the best of both worlds. Your work with C++ and the QT toolkit is > > cross platform. That's why you see so many QT apps underdevelopment > > that have executables for both Linux and WIndows. Now, what d

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-21 Thread Timothy R. Butler
Hi Mike, > Being new to the C++ world I have no idea what QT is? I know what JFC > (Swing) is, and I know that it's cross platform. It's the GUI toolkit that powers the K Desktop Environment (and thus BibleTime), Qtopia (the GUI for the upcoming Sharp PDA), and Opera for Linux. -Tim -- -

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-20 Thread Mike Dougherty
On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 16:42, Jerry Kreps wrote: > On Thursday 20 December 2001 13:20, Lutz, Tom wrote: > > I know that we're not missing the main idea but I can't resist... > > > > What do we think the main populace of Bible software users (basic > > or advanced) will be working on, Windows of Lin

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-20 Thread Chris
>What do we think the main populace of Bible software users (basic or >advanced) will be working on, Windows of Linux? > In China, India, Mexico, who knows? We could see a big push on Linux in these places because they don't like sending money out of the country, but they like to look good intern

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-20 Thread Chris
> > >While I think there are >practical benefits to the O.S. movement, I believe their is an ideology or >better a philosophy that tends to undergird it which is unbiblical, > So how do you feel about Acts 2:44, "All the believers were together and had everything in common." ? >that is, >to ow

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-20 Thread Jerry Kreps
On Thursday 20 December 2001 13:20, Lutz, Tom wrote: > I know that we're not missing the main idea but I can't resist... > > What do we think the main populace of Bible software users (basic > or advanced) will be working on, Windows of Linux? Clearly, today, > it's Windows. I don't see this cha

RE: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-20 Thread Lutz, Tom
ord Developer List Subject: Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 09:26, Timothy R. Butler wrote: > I agree, but I might point out I think you are referring to the "free > software movement." The open source movement smells a lot less socialist >

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-20 Thread Mike Dougherty
On Thu, 2001-12-20 at 09:26, Timothy R. Butler wrote: > I agree, but I might point out I think you are referring to the "free > software movement." The open source movement smells a lot less socialist > (yest there is a difference between the two). A friend of mine pointed out > recently seve

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-20 Thread Timothy R. Butler
Hi, > I have often compared Stallman to socialism. While I think there are > practical benefits to the O.S. movement, I believe their is an ideology or > better a philosophy that tends to undergird it which is unbiblical, that > is, to own something is wrong. The socialist view is very analogous

RE: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-20 Thread John Gardner
gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Leon Brooks > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 7:54 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman > > > On Thursday 20 December 2001 02:16, Timothy R. Butler wrote: > &g

Re: [sword-devel] conversations with Stallman

2001-12-20 Thread Leon Brooks
On Thursday 20 December 2001 02:16, Timothy R. Butler wrote: >> RMS has abruptly ceased conversing with >> me and with a number of other individuals at various times at the point >> of discovering that the conversee was a serious Christian, and more >> particularly a creationist. > Mind if I ask