Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-23 Thread jonathon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > It *cannot* do what a laptop or desktop does, The typical smartphone sold today, has the same amount of RAM as the typical desktop of five years ago, and the same amount of storage as the typical desktop of a decade ago. Th

Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-18 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Ahoi. I don't actually care so much about bookmark consistency. And if so then mainly between PS and MS because Mac users maybe will have an iPhone and want to sync their bookmarks. But I haven't heard of such feature requests. Generally though for the sake of features it would be great to be ab

Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-15 Thread Jonathan Morgan
Somewhat related: when talking about syncing user-created content, I found Craig Rairdin's BibleTech:2008 talk "Beyond Mobility: Synchronizing User-Created Data Between Platforms, Readers, and Vendors" interesting (though I'm not sure that it solves all of the problems, because some of them fundame

Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-14 Thread DM Smith
On 04/14/2010 01:41 PM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: Anyhow, I fear the discussion is reaching far afield from my original questions, which revolved around the question of consistent baseline user experience and what we ought to require (in some fuzzy sense) of Sword app teams' development. What does

Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-14 Thread Костя и Алёна Маслюк
Hi All! Jesus, help us to find right solution. Simply I think every new frontend should use much of existing source code and existing standards. If there would be bookmark framework in Sword i used it. Karl Kleinpaste: Xiphos has implicitly extended the semantic of that bookmark format, simply

Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-14 Thread kalemas
Hi All! Jesus, help us to find right solution. Simply I think every new frontend should use much of existing source code and existing standards. If there would be bookmark framework in Sword i used it. Karl Kleinpaste: Xiphos has implicitly extended the semantic of that bookmark format, simply

Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-14 Thread DM Smith
Karl, Great thoughts. Regarding real users asking for cross-application compatibility for Bible Desktop, we've only ever had a couple. The biggest is that an installed base of modules can be used. This typically is of the form: "I've given up on windows and have a some modules that are no long

Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-14 Thread Manfred Bergmann
Am 14.04.2010 um 18:41 schrieb Karl Kleinpaste: > >> ps: I reckon that bookmarks sync between PS and a desktop would be a >> manual process (in that you need to hit a button to do it, rather than >> it all being automagic cloud-based syncing), so it would be something >> you could opt out of, fo

Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-14 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Nic Carter writes: > But perhaps this is the time for me to say I'm considering cutting > support for the GenBook format? The iPhone has the kindle app, has a > very cool CCEL app & is about to get the iBooks app (from Apple), so I > can't see much point. That would be unwise. The availability o

Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-14 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > > Nobody real cares. Real, in the sense of being a general user of our > software, as opposed to us, who are stuck on features for features' > sake. I think you are probably right there. Unless we move a whole way further and allow a explicitly partial import and export

Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-14 Thread Brian J. Dumont
On 04/14/2010 12:50 PM, Nic Carter wrote: > But perhaps this is the time for me to say I'm considering cutting > support for the GenBook format? The iPhone has the kindle app, has a > very cool CCEL app & is about to get the iBooks app (from Apple), so I > can't see much point. I would be very sad

Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-14 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
Peter von Kaehne writes: > Part of the reason is probably general direction of user mobility. > People move Windows->Apple or Windows-> Linux, but after a bit of > messing around, few move Gnome->KDE or vice versa. Perhaps. But if, as you suggest, ... >> Xiphos uses the exact same bookmark stor

Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-14 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Nic Carter wrote: > But perhaps this is the time for me to say I'm considering cutting > support for the GenBook format? The iPhone has the kindle app, has a > very cool CCEL app & is about to get the iBooks app (from Apple), so I > can't see much point. Only that GenBook is a format which does no

Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-14 Thread Nic Carter
Ok, I'll keep this brief cause it's 2:30am & I'm on my phone, but I pretty much agree with Karl. Re: bookmarks: PocketSword has a 2 min worth of effort implementation in there atm. This WILL change soon, as with loads of other features. I get to play catchup with all you big boys, cause I've

Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-14 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Thanks Karl, this is brilliant! Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > This brings a couple problems. First, we have the necessity of the > interaction: Does the user allow this to occur? If the user declines -- > for now, or forever -- then we are left with an application that still > must provide bookmark s

Re: [sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-14 Thread David Haslam
Karl, This is a superb essay. I love it when programmers extensively philosophize like this. And yet, is a mailing list the best place to communicate deep and detailed thoughts such as these? It's not the kind of material for a wiki page either. IMHO, This sort of excellent content is really be

[sword-devel] frontend features, their applicability -- consistency?

2010-04-14 Thread Karl Kleinpaste
I've had some philosophical meanderings about frontends over the last several weeks. One of the best things about The Sword Project is that a whole herd of applications has been able to grow up around the core engine. Support constructs based on platform capability, workflow ideals, toolkit provi