[sympy] Re: thirdparty packages yes or no?

2008-06-02 Thread Vinzent Steinberg
Please see http://groups.google.com/group/sympy/browse_thread/thread/2ca453b4c647d1fb for a proposed solution. Vinzent On 27 Mai, 23:29, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > what should we do about thirdparty packages? See this issue for rationale: > > http://code.google.com/p/s

[sympy] Re: replace distutils with setuptools

2008-06-02 Thread Vinzent Steinberg
Yes, command line usage on Windows is a pain. But wouldn't it be possible to add a Python script you have to double-click on and which would do all the stuff for you? On 2 Jun., 18:08, "Brian Jorgensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I completely agree with you in principle. And I personally love t

[sympy] Re: replace distutils with setuptools

2008-06-02 Thread Brian Jorgensen
I completely agree with you in principle. And I personally love the command line, even on windows. But a majority of windows users are unwilling to do anything with it--including many talented programmers. Here's how it goes for many people I've known: 1. Download ez_setup.py 2. Start menu,

[sympy] Re: replace distutils with setuptools

2008-06-02 Thread Vinzent Steinberg
I think easy_install could handle all these dependencies automatically. The user wouldn't notice any difference. I'd keep the full tar ball. We could offer an alternative with setuptols. IMHO not being able to use mpmath outside of sympy (or installing mpmath twice) just sucks. Especially if there

[sympy] Re: should we allow using implicit imports?

2008-06-02 Thread Vinzent Steinberg
When necessary, it's still possible to use 'import stuff as shortcut' (well, it's actually not a shortcut in this cas :-), instead of 100 explicit imports. On Jun 2, 12:43 pm, "Fredrik Johansson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

[sympy] Re: should we allow using implicit imports?

2008-06-02 Thread Fredrik Johansson
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Ondrej Certik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What do you think Fredrik? Let's use explicit in mpmath as well, at > least in SymPy? When a function name changes, you have to change not just the function and the code that refers to it, but also lots of imports. You ca

[sympy] Re: replace distutils with setuptools

2008-06-02 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Brian Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > It's been a while, but I'm the one who committed the original sin of > including pyglet. In general, I agree with you. The intent back then was to > allow users to plot out-of-the-box, without any external depende

[sympy] Re: should we allow using implicit imports?

2008-06-02 Thread Ondrej Certik
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Kirill Smelkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:53:23PM +0200, Ondrej Certik wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I think we should know allow using implicit imports in the sympy code >> as I think it only makes debugging harder because you don't know w