[sympy] Re: [sage-devel] Yes, SymPy should be LGPL! (please help)

2008-11-17 Thread Abderrahim KITOUNI
Hi everyone, it's been a long time, I was following the project but didn't have time to contribute. 2008/11/16 Riccardo Gori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Sunday 16 November 2008 15:02:44 Kirill Smelkov wrote: [...] >> Guys, even if you prefer BSD, or LGPL or whatever, please state it >> clearly, w

[sympy] Re: [sage-devel] Yes, SymPy should be LGPL! (please help)

2008-11-16 Thread Jim Jewett
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Kirill Smelkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And also I say again that almost every program actually *uses* LGPL'ed > libraries: for example glibc: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ldd /usr/bin/python >linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb7f32000) >libpthread.so.0 => /lib

[sympy] Re: [sage-devel] Yes, SymPy should be LGPL! (please help)

2008-11-16 Thread Kirill Smelkov
Brian, On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:14:39AM -0800, Brian Granger wrote: > > > Brian email: do you mean that it is difficult to understand legal > > wording? Hm, yes, legal texts are difficult, but LGPL is with us for > > ~ 15 years already, and I personally always thought that there is a > > clear

[sympy] Re: [sage-devel] Yes, SymPy should be LGPL! (please help)

2008-11-16 Thread Kirill Smelkov
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 06:57:29PM +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote: > > Hi Kirr, > > >> Well, read this post: > >> > >> http://www.miriamruiz.es/weblog/?p=192 > >> > >> so the answer is yes and no. Which means AGPL is on the edge between > >> free and non-free, as viewed by many people around Debian.

[sympy] Re: [sage-devel] Yes, SymPy should be LGPL! (please help)

2008-11-16 Thread Brian Granger
> Brian email: do you mean that it is difficult to understand legal > wording? Hm, yes, legal texts are difficult, but LGPL is with us for > ~ 15 years already, and I personally always thought that there is a > clear traction of it, e.g. as written here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Lesser

[sympy] Re: [sage-devel] Yes, SymPy should be LGPL! (please help)

2008-11-16 Thread Ondrej Certik
Hi Kirr, >> Well, read this post: >> >> http://www.miriamruiz.es/weblog/?p=192 >> >> so the answer is yes and no. Which means AGPL is on the edge between >> free and non-free, as viewed by many people around Debian. >> I definitely want sympy to be on the safe side of the edge. > > So you say we

[sympy] Re: [sage-devel] Yes, SymPy should be LGPL! (please help)

2008-11-16 Thread Kirill Smelkov
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 04:05:07PM +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote: > > Hi Kirr, > > well, today is a licensing weekend. I wanted to release today, but > let's get this discussed, I think it is important. It'd have to be > discussed anyway sooner or later. I too needed to work on video encoding issu

[sympy] Re: [sage-devel] Yes, SymPy should be LGPL! (please help)

2008-11-16 Thread Ondrej Certik
Hi Kirr, well, today is a licensing weekend. I wanted to release today, but let's get this discussed, I think it is important. It'd have to be discussed anyway sooner or later. On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Kirill Smelkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 01:36:30PM +0100

[sympy] Re: [sage-devel] Yes, SymPy should be LGPL! (please help)

2008-11-16 Thread Riccardo Gori
On Sunday 16 November 2008 15:02:44 Kirill Smelkov wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 01:36:30PM +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote: > > Hi Kirr, > > > > let me say that I am not convinced that LGPL is better for SymPy. > > > > It seems to me that you think that LGPL will protect you 100% and keep > > > > y

[sympy] Re: [sage-devel] Yes, SymPy should be LGPL! (please help)

2008-11-16 Thread Kirill Smelkov
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 01:36:30PM +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote: > > Hi Kirr, > > let me say that I am not convinced that LGPL is better for SymPy. > > It seems to me that you think that LGPL will protect you 100% and keep > you happy: > > > Initially I was in a shape and could afford myself wor

[sympy] Re: [sage-devel] Yes, SymPy should be LGPL! (please help)

2008-11-16 Thread Ondrej Certik
I didn't finish some things: >> Actually some people we all know want money first [1], or stop working >> on their "babies" after their grant is finished [2], or want to be paid >> working for companies which want to keep their modifications secret [3], > > So what? I know all those people person

[sympy] Re: [sage-devel] Yes, SymPy should be LGPL! (please help)

2008-11-16 Thread Ondrej Certik
Hi Kirr, let me say that I am not convinced that LGPL is better for SymPy. It seems to me that you think that LGPL will protect you 100% and keep you happy: > Initially I was in a shape and could afford myself working on sympy > without protection, but when it started to be very tough, I have t