Re: [sysadmin-discuss] Which filesystem for removable backup device(s)?

2009-03-16 Thread Tim Bradshaw
On 16 Mar 2009, at 16:20, Uwe Dippel wrote: Easy. I happen to be sysadmin, and my backups have to reliable. Yanking out a drive has happened here, somewhat frequently, though always unintentional, without proper umount. I have yanked a few, and so have my users. But I was - in the case of e

[sysadmin-discuss] How to use Gmail as SMARTHOST for solaris 10 sendmail?

2009-03-16 Thread Vikas Sharma
I am trying to configure sendmail so that I may be able to send emails using my gmail account from the command like (using mail/mailx commands). I found following two articles which talk about same thing BUT for OpenBSD. Can someone take a look to brief what exactly is equivalent in case of Sola

Re: [sysadmin-discuss] Which filesystem for removable backup device(s)?

2009-03-16 Thread Michael Ramchand
Uwe Dippel wrote: [i]I don't understand why the rules for ZFS are any different from the rules for any other filesystem. Why don't you try pulling out drives for UFS and pcfs and seeing whether they are corrupted or not? Guess what, they are equally likely to be corrupted, but you simply wont be

Re: [sysadmin-discuss] Which filesystem for removable backup device(s)?

2009-03-16 Thread Uwe Dippel
[i]I don't understand why the rules for ZFS are any different from the rules for any other filesystem. Why don't you try pulling out drives for UFS and pcfs and seeing whether they are corrupted or not? Guess what, they are equally likely to be corrupted, but you simply wont be ablt to detect the c

Re: [sysadmin-discuss] Which filesystem for removable backup device(s)?

2009-03-16 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Hi Mike, This is the start of the thread: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=91426&tstart=90 I believe the root cause of this issue was that the poster yanked a disk from a live file system, thinking zfs umount was the command to remove a disk from a ZFS storage pool. Cindy

Re: [sysadmin-discuss] Which filesystem for removable backup device(s)?

2009-03-16 Thread Michael Ramchand
Uwe Dippel wrote: Try the thread "ZFS: unreliable for professional usage?" in zfs-discuss for further info, and read how SUN engineers agree to potential corruption without proper umount && export. Could you please send me the link for the above discussion? I've searched the opensolaris zf

Re: [sysadmin-discuss] Which filesystem for removable backup device(s)?

2009-03-16 Thread bob netherton
Hang on one sec Isn't this completely true for ALL filesystems, except that others can't detect that corruption has occurred? Mike is absolutely correct (and on the earlier email as well). No matter what the criticism of ZFS, every other filesystem has it far worse. I've been carryin

Re: [sysadmin-discuss] Which filesystem for removable backup device(s)?

2009-03-16 Thread Michael Ramchand
Uwe Dippel wrote: Try the thread "ZFS: unreliable for professional usage?" in zfs-discuss for further info, and read how SUN engineers agree to potential corruption without proper umount && export. Hang on one sec Isn't this completely true for ALL filesystems, except that others can't

Re: [sysadmin-discuss] Which filesystem for removable backup device(s)?

2009-03-16 Thread Uwe Dippel
Try the thread "ZFS: unreliable for professional usage?" in zfs-discuss for further info, and read how SUN engineers agree to potential corruption without proper umount && export. Don't. Simply don't. At least not yet, as long as the recovery utility for the Überblocks is pending. Then test-test

Re: [sysadmin-discuss] Which filesystem for removable backup device(s)?

2009-03-16 Thread Michael Ramchand
Uwe Dippel wrote: vfat/pcfs seems to be the best alternative. Search the archives, and you'll find that under specific circumstances ZFS could damage the data beyond a chance for recovery, so avoid it. If you care about data integrity, ZFS is your friend. Yes, if your data is corrupted. (NOT