Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 0/2] (dracut) hwdb needed in early boot for some keyboards

2013-11-12 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Colin Guthrie wrote: Hi, In this bug report https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11645 a user is unable to enter their encrypted root password via a wireless keyboard connected with a Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver. Just in case, I do have the same model of wireless keyboard and will val

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 1/2] udev: use "bit" as unit for network card speeds

2013-11-12 Thread David Timothy Strauss
+1 on the unit in the value. ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] Need help with a systemd/mdadm interaction.

2013-11-12 Thread NeilBrown
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:49:34 +0100 Colin Guthrie wrote: > 'Twas brillig, and NeilBrown at 12/11/13 11:17 did gyre and gimble: > > On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:16:24 +0900 Greg KH > > wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 07:54:42PM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > >>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 00:10:28 -0800 G

Re: [systemd-devel] Need help with a systemd/mdadm interaction.

2013-11-12 Thread NeilBrown
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:01:49 +0400 Andrey Borzenkov wrote: > В Tue, 12 Nov 2013 21:17:19 +1100 > NeilBrown пишет: > > > On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:16:24 +0900 Greg KH > > wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 07:54:42PM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > > > > On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 00:10:28 -0800 Greg K

Re: [systemd-devel] Need help with a systemd/mdadm interaction.

2013-11-12 Thread NeilBrown
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:52:43 +0100 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 09:17:19PM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:16:24 +0900 Greg KH > > wrote: > > > Not for USB, sorry. > > > > > > The USB bus just announces devices when it finds them, there is no

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 1/2] udev: use "bit" as unit for network card speeds

2013-11-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 12.11.13 05:49, Jan Engelhardt (jeng...@inai.de) wrote: > Given a card that can do 100 Mbit/s, that would be about 12.5 MByte/s, > but you cannot seriously expect me to use that value. Although it is > quite compelling for 40 Gbit/s because that divides nicely to 5 > GByte/sec, and we will

Re: [systemd-devel] Need help with a systemd/mdadm interaction.

2013-11-12 Thread NeilBrown
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 03:03:44 +0100 (CET) Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > On Tuesday 2013-11-12 01:31, NeilBrown wrote: > > > >mdadm is quite good at assembling arrays incrementally. "udev" runs > >"mdadm -I" for each new device and mdadm gathers them into arrays and > >activates the array once all th

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-networkd questions

2013-11-12 Thread Holger Winkelmann [TP]
sorry for double post after bounce and the huge signature, messed up my mail client config a bit.. Holger > We asked our self the same questions, and alternatives exists even from > the embedded camp [1] which often comes close to the server use case. > Even if [1] does not have a Dbus interface,

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-networkd questions

2013-11-12 Thread Holger Winkelmann [TP]
Hi Dan, - Original Message - > Hi, > > Having watched the discussion over the past week or so, I'm left with a > few questions: > > 1) what is lacking in other userspace solutions (NetworkManager, > ConnMan, wicked, initscripts, etc) that requires > yet-another-network-daemon? > > 2) do

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] build-sys: Add --disable-networkd option

2013-11-12 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2013-11-12 at 22:48 +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: > I also made the man pages conditional, please have a look if that works for > you. Looks right. (Wow, make-man-rules.py is some nice magic) > For what it's worth, if shipping or running networkd has any adverse > effect (apart from spac

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-networkd questions

2013-11-12 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi Dan, On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > 1) what is lacking in other userspace solutions (NetworkManager, > ConnMan, wicked, initscripts, etc) that requires > yet-another-network-daemon? Without criticizing any of the existing solutions, some of the things that motivated m

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] build-sys: Add --disable-networkd option

2013-11-12 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Colin Walters wrote: > For GNOME (Continuous), we are unlikely to require or want > systemd-networkd in the near term future; all of the tools and code > are targeting NetworkManager. > > The long term story is still an open question of course, but for now, > there

[systemd-devel] systemd-networkd questions

2013-11-12 Thread Dan Williams
Hi, Having watched the discussion over the past week or so, I'm left with a few questions: 1) what is lacking in other userspace solutions (NetworkManager, ConnMan, wicked, initscripts, etc) that requires yet-another-network-daemon? 2) do you expect that systemd-networkd will grow to include bri

[systemd-devel] [PATCH] build-sys: Add --disable-networkd option

2013-11-12 Thread Colin Walters
For GNOME (Continuous), we are unlikely to require or want systemd-networkd in the near term future; all of the tools and code are targeting NetworkManager. The long term story is still an open question of course, but for now, there's no reason for gnome-continuous to build or ship this. --- Make

Re: [systemd-devel] Need help with a systemd/mdadm interaction.

2013-11-12 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 11/12/2013 11:49 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote: > It seems to me that doing this automatically is a bad idea if someone > simply forgot to plug in a drive... or, and this has happened to me > (tho' I stress not *by* me!), removes the wrong drive. I guess I'm in > two minds on this one as I can see the

Re: [systemd-devel] Need help with a systemd/mdadm interaction.

2013-11-12 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and NeilBrown at 12/11/13 11:17 did gyre and gimble: > On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:16:24 +0900 Greg KH wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 07:54:42PM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: >>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 00:10:28 -0800 Greg KH >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:31:45AM +1100, Ne

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd + ExecStart + python script

2013-11-12 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 06:14:30PM +0100, Abdelghani Ouchabane wrote: > On 11/11/13 17:32, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 04:55:05PM +0100, Abdelghani Ouchabane wrote: > >>ExecStart=/usr/bin/python /opt/cyclades/bin/t_idl.pyo > >>|-1377 /bin/sh -c if [ ! -

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] SMACK: assign * label to /tmp when using SMACK.

2013-11-12 Thread Kok, Auke-jan H
On Nov 12, 2013 6:16 AM, "Karel Zak" wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 09:19:27AM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Karel Zak wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 01:20:18PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: > > >> > BTW, for SELinux we remove selinux specific mount

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd + ExecStart + python script

2013-11-12 Thread Abdelghani Ouchabane
On 11/11/13 17:32, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 04:55:05PM +0100, Abdelghani Ouchabane wrote: ExecStart=/usr/bin/python /opt/cyclades/bin/t_idl.pyo |-1377 /bin/sh -c if [ ! -e /home/x/taskconfig/screensaver ]; then /bin/mkdir -p /home/x/taskconfig ;

Re: [systemd-devel] Adding an option to prefix date time when journal forwards messages to console

2013-11-12 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Umut Tezduyar Lindskog >> > We think being able to see the journal message timestamps on console is >> important. A locked up embedded system where we only have the output of >> console would be even more useful if we were to know when things went >> wrong. For thi

Re: [systemd-devel] Need help with a systemd/mdadm interaction.

2013-11-12 Thread Andrey Borzenkov
В Tue, 12 Nov 2013 21:17:19 +1100 NeilBrown пишет: > On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:16:24 +0900 Greg KH wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 07:54:42PM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > > > On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 00:10:28 -0800 Greg KH > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:31:45AM +1100, NeilBr

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] man: wording and grammar updates

2013-11-12 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > 2013/11/12 Jan Engelhardt : >> Important this time: /lib was changed to /usr/lib, since that is what >> most distros seem to use for their systemd/udev file location. > > That paths shouldn't be hard-coded but rather be set the values the > p

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] SMACK: assign * label to /tmp when using SMACK.

2013-11-12 Thread Karel Zak
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 03:16:17PM +0100, Karel Zak wrote: > On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 09:19:27AM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Karel Zak wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 01:20:18PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: > > >> > BTW, for SELinux we remove selinux sp

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] SMACK: assign * label to /tmp when using SMACK.

2013-11-12 Thread Karel Zak
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 09:19:27AM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Karel Zak wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 01:20:18PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: > >> > BTW, for SELinux we remove selinux specific mount options in > >> > userspace (in mount(8)) if the kern

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] man: wording and grammar updates

2013-11-12 Thread Michael Biebl
2013/11/12 Jan Engelhardt : > Important this time: /lib was changed to /usr/lib, since that is what > most distros seem to use for their systemd/udev file location. That paths shouldn't be hard-coded but rather be set the values the package was actually compiled with [1]. Zbyszek had some ideas h

Re: [systemd-devel] Need help with a systemd/mdadm interaction.

2013-11-12 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 09:17:19PM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:16:24 +0900 Greg KH wrote: > > Not for USB, sorry. > > > > The USB bus just announces devices when it finds them, there is no "all > > is quiet" type signal or detection. > > > > Same for PCI hotplug, devices can

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 0/2] (dracut) hwdb needed in early boot for some keyboards

2013-11-12 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Kay Sievers at 12/11/13 11:28 did gyre and gimble: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote: >> In this bug report https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11645 a user is >> unable to enter their encrypted root password via a wireless keyboard >> connected with a

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 0/2] (dracut) hwdb needed in early boot for some keyboards

2013-11-12 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Colin Guthrie wrote: > In this bug report https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11645 a user is > unable to enter their encrypted root password via a wireless keyboard > connected with a Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver. This sounds weird. Why exactly is this n

Re: [systemd-devel] Need help with a systemd/mdadm interaction.

2013-11-12 Thread NeilBrown
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:16:24 +0900 Greg KH wrote: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 07:54:42PM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 00:10:28 -0800 Greg KH > > wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:31:45AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > > > > Alternately, is there some "all devices have bee

[systemd-devel] [PATCH 0/2] (dracut) hwdb needed in early boot for some keyboards

2013-11-12 Thread Colin Guthrie
Hi, In this bug report https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11645 a user is unable to enter their encrypted root password via a wireless keyboard connected with a Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver. This information has moved from a 95-keymap.rules in the olden days to the hwdb infrastructure (I

[systemd-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Include support for Logitec, Inc. Unifying Reveiver keyboard

2013-11-12 Thread Colin Guthrie
--- modules.d/95udev-rules/module-setup.sh | 3 +++ 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+) diff --git a/modules.d/95udev-rules/module-setup.sh b/modules.d/95udev-rules/module-setup.sh index 88c3da2..f4498b3 100755 --- a/modules.d/95udev-rules/module-setup.sh +++ b/modules.d/95udev-rules/module-setup.sh

[systemd-devel] [PATCH 1/2] Provide infrastructure to include udev hwdb files.

2013-11-12 Thread Colin Guthrie
This is needed to provide keyboard support for some models of keyboard which have now been converted over to the new format. --- dracut-functions.sh | 29 + dracut.sh | 3 +++ 2 files changed, 32 insertions(+) diff --git a/dracut-functions.sh b/dracut-functi

Re: [systemd-devel] Need help with a systemd/mdadm interaction.

2013-11-12 Thread Greg KH
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 07:54:42PM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 00:10:28 -0800 Greg KH wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:31:45AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > > > Alternately, is there some "all devices have been probed, nothing new will > > > appear unless it is hot-plugged" e

Re: [systemd-devel] Need help with a systemd/mdadm interaction.

2013-11-12 Thread Greg KH
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 06:16:24PM +0900, Greg KH wrote: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 07:54:42PM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 00:10:28 -0800 Greg KH > > wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:31:45AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > > > > Alternately, is there some "all devices hav

Re: [systemd-devel] Adding an option to prefix date time when journal forwards messages to console

2013-11-12 Thread Umut Tezduyar Lindskog
> -Original Message- > From: Kay Sievers [mailto:k...@vrfy.org] > Sent: den 11 november 2013 16:31 > To: Umut Tezduyar Lindskog > Cc: systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org > Subject: Re: [systemd-devel] Adding an option to prefix date time when > journal forwards messages to console > > On

Re: [systemd-devel] Need help with a systemd/mdadm interaction.

2013-11-12 Thread NeilBrown
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 00:10:28 -0800 Greg KH wrote: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:31:45AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > > Alternately, is there some "all devices have been probed, nothing new will > > appear unless it is hot-plugged" event. That would be equally useful (and > > probably mirrors what ha

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 1/2] udev: use "bit" as unit for network card speeds

2013-11-12 Thread David Timothy Strauss
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > In any case, even if the ethtool structures awkwardly specified the use > of "bytes", the user-visible part should be in "bits", and this patch > was to give an impetus. > I won't commit the patch unless there's clarity that setting the va

Re: [systemd-devel] Need help with a systemd/mdadm interaction.

2013-11-12 Thread Greg KH
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:31:45AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > Alternately, is there some "all devices have been probed, nothing new will > appear unless it is hot-plugged" event. That would be equally useful (and > probably mirrors what hardware-RAID cards do). No, there's no way to ever know this