Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] use systemd.debug on the kernel command line, not "debug"

2014-04-03 Thread David Timothy Strauss
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Florian Albrechtskirchinger wrote: > Both you and Tom Gundersen raised the point of assisting end-users with > boot issues. 'dbg' (as suggested, shorthand for 'dbg=kri') is as > concise and simple as it gets. -1 on this because it moves in the opposite direction o

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] use systemd.debug on the kernel command line, not "debug"

2014-04-03 Thread Florian Albrechtskirchinger
On 03.04.2014 15:48, Colin Guthrie wrote: > 'Twas brillig, and Florian Albrechtskirchinger at 03/04/14 11:53 did > gyre and gimble: > >> I suggest we return the 'debug' option to the kernel folk and add a new >> option 'dbg' with a string of single letter arguments. For example, >> 'dbg=ki' (k for

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] use systemd.debug on the kernel command line, not "debug"

2014-04-03 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Florian Albrechtskirchinger at 03/04/14 11:53 did gyre and gimble: > On 03.04.2014 00:27, Greg KH wrote: >> If the kernel is started with "debug", that's for the kernel to >> switch into debug mode. We should rely on a namespace for our >> options, like everything else (with the

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] use systemd.debug on the kernel command line, not "debug"

2014-04-03 Thread Florian Albrechtskirchinger
On 03.04.2014 00:27, Greg KH wrote: > If the kernel is started with "debug", that's for the kernel to > switch into debug mode. We should rely on a namespace for our > options, like everything else (with the exception of "quiet"). Some > people want to only debug the kernel, not systemd, and the

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] use systemd.debug on the kernel command line, not "debug"

2014-04-03 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 03.04.2014 11:36, schrieb David Herrmann: > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: >> Or is there actually a bug going on here? My impression from reading >> related discussions was that "systemd.log_level=debug loglevel=debug" >> triggers some bug (so in particular "debug" now t

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] use systemd.debug on the kernel command line, not "debug"

2014-04-03 Thread David Herrmann
Hi On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Or is there actually a bug going on here? My impression from reading > related discussions was that "systemd.log_level=debug loglevel=debug" > triggers some bug (so in particular "debug" now triggers the bug). It > was not clear to me whe

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] use systemd.debug on the kernel command line, not "debug"

2014-04-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Is the rationale for this, simply a matter of preference, i.e., is the > claim simply that we believe most users would benefit more from the > 'kernel only' compared to 'all low-level stuff' behavior? If that's > the case, I don't have an opi

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] use systemd.debug on the kernel command line, not "debug"

2014-04-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Greg KH wrote: > If the kernel is started with "debug", that's for the kernel to switch > into debug mode. We should rely on a namespace for our options, like > everything else (with the exception of "quiet"). Just a quick note, we do in fact read a lot of kernel

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] use systemd.debug on the kernel command line, not "debug"

2014-04-02 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 07:43:14PM -0400, Dave Reisner wrote: > On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 03:27:52PM -0700, Greg KH wrote: > > If the kernel is started with "debug", that's for the kernel to switch > > into debug mode. We should rely on a namespace for our options, like > > everything else (with the

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] use systemd.debug on the kernel command line, not "debug"

2014-04-02 Thread Dave Reisner
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 03:27:52PM -0700, Greg KH wrote: > If the kernel is started with "debug", that's for the kernel to switch > into debug mode. We should rely on a namespace for our options, like > everything else (with the exception of "quiet"). Some people want to > only debug the kernel,

[systemd-devel] [PATCH] use systemd.debug on the kernel command line, not "debug"

2014-04-02 Thread Greg KH
If the kernel is started with "debug", that's for the kernel to switch into debug mode. We should rely on a namespace for our options, like everything else (with the exception of "quiet"). Some people want to only debug the kernel, not systemd, and the opposite as well so make everyone happy. d