Re: [systemd-devel] udev took too long to start

2011-05-20 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 17:32, microcai micro...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Now I've full relized that, the problem is fsck-root.service. udev.service stay idle as soon as fsck-root.service exit. It is fsck-root.service that took so long to do the job. Check that the clock is right, that rtc

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] systemd 27

2011-05-21 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 22:09, Henry Gebhardt hsggebha...@googlemail.com wrote: #10 0x004591de in bus_property_append_long (i=value optimized out, property=value optimized out,    data=value optimized out) at src/dbus-common.c:580 #11 0x00459792 in bus_default_message_handler

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] systemd 27

2011-05-21 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 23:09, Henry Gebhardt hsggebha...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 10:19:39PM +0200, Kay Sievers wrote: On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 22:09, Henry Gebhardt hsggebha...@googlemail.com wrote: #10 0x004591de in bus_property_append_long (i=value optimized

Re: [systemd-devel] udev took too long to start

2011-05-23 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 06:32, Chen Jie ch...@lemote.com wrote: 2011/5/20 Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org:  Why is blkid called 11 times? You have that many partitions? I guess, sda-sda4 plus loop0-7 and plus ram0-ram15. What do you need 16 ramdisks for? Not sure if anything today should use

Re: [systemd-devel] Chicken and egg problem when building a systemd enabled system

2011-05-26 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:31, Michael Biebl mbi...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/5/26 Koen Kooi k...@dominion.thruhere.net: When building a complete system from scratch, especially in a crosscompile environment there is a chicken and egg problem: systemd needs dbus and udev to buid, but dbus and

Re: [systemd-devel] combine old-style sysvinit daemon and new-style systemd

2011-05-26 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 14:38, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Thu, 26.05.11 12:53, Vasiliy G Tolstov (v.tols...@selfip.ru) wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 16:52 +0800, microcai wrote: 于 2011年05月26日 16:33, Vasiliy G Tolstov 写道: Hello. If i want to write daemon, that can be

Re: [systemd-devel] MAINPID changing

2011-05-28 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 20:06, Christian Parpart tra...@gentoo.org wrote: back in January there was a very big discussion on the whole MAINPID changing issue related to lighttpd. Well, now I've ran into this myself, and wonder whether systemd now supports changing the MAINPID. So what is the

Re: [systemd-devel] Question on os-release

2011-05-30 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 10:20, Andreas Jaeger a...@novell.com wrote: Looking at the os-release information, I wonder how to encode in the best way the Beta or Milestone versions of a product, e.g. openSUSE 12.1 Milestone 1 Is this one added as part of version? e.g.: VERSION=12.1 Milestone 1

Re: [systemd-devel] apps stuck with systemd.automount when device not present

2011-05-30 Thread Kay Sievers
2011/5/31 Björn Busse m...@baerlin.eu: I do have some removeable devices configured in fstab with the comment=systemd.automount option. Now whenever an application scans the filesystem it gets stuck while doing stat() on the mountpoint of those devices until I plugin those. Reading the man

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patches for a clean shutdown

2011-05-31 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 17:06, har...@redhat.com wrote: This patch series enables a clean disassemble of the root device in the shutdown process. systemd-shutdown checks for /run/initramfs/shutdown, and if found, it will pivot_root to /run/initramfs and execute shutdown. Really cool stuff,

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 5/6] mount /run without noexec

2011-05-31 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 02:29, Maarten Lankhorst m.b.lankho...@gmail.com wrote: Why do you need exec on /run ? /run/initramfs/ is the full initramfs that brought the box up, not deleted after mounting and chroot()ing into the rootfs. We exec() into /run/initramfs, leave the rootfs behind us, and

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 5/6] mount /run without noexec

2011-05-31 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 05:46, Harald Hoyer harald.ho...@gmail.com wrote: Am 01.06.2011 um 02:29 schrieb Maarten Lankhorst m.b.lankho...@gmail.com: Op 31-05-11 17:06, har...@redhat.com schreef: From: Harald Hoyer har...@redhat.com Signed-off-by: Harald Hoyer har...@redhat.com Why do you need

Re: [systemd-devel] Howro install from source?

2011-06-03 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 13:36, Stef Bon stef...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to try systemd on my machine. As someone who installs everything from source, I would like to do that also for systemd. I cannot find a guide anywhere to do this, as I expect a package as systemd requires more than

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] systemctl: fix double unref of a dbus message

2011-06-05 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:45, Michal Schmidt mschm...@redhat.com wrote: After freeing the dbus message reset the pointer to NULL to avoid freeing it again at the end of the function. Applied. Thanks, Kay ___ systemd-devel mailing list

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd .device units timing out

2011-06-06 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 15:01, Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote: I have a system which was upgraded to F15 and thus systemd.  During the boot process it times out starting various .device units, like sda1.device.  If I let it alone it will boot in about a week or so, but meanwhile it is

Re: [systemd-devel] RFC: creating a set of systemd RPM macros across distributions ?

2011-06-28 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:32, Miklos Vajna vmik...@frugalware.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 06:23:23PM +0200, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Mon, 27.06.11 17:37, Ludwig Nussel (ludwig.nus...@suse.de) wrote: Frederic Crozat wrote: [...] %service_add_enabled()

Re: [systemd-devel] [HEADSUP] We no longer spawn 6 gettys by default

2011-06-29 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 14:54, Christian Gagneraud ch...@techworks.ie wrote: On 29/06/11 13:45, Koen Kooi wrote: Op 29 jun 2011, om 14:37 heeft Robert Schwebel het volgende geschreven: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:15:02AM +0200, Stef Bon wrote: I think it's ok to only activate the getty

Re: [systemd-devel] RFC: creating a set of systemd RPM macros across distributions ?

2011-07-04 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 14:10, Frederic Crozat fcro...@suse.com wrote: (this macro could refer to different package, if people don't agree on systemd-units as packagename) I don't agree on the split-off in general. :) I don't really see how a subpackage gives us any advantage, and we should

Re: [systemd-devel] RFC: creating a set of systemd RPM macros across distributions ?

2011-07-04 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 14:57, Frederic Crozat fcro...@suse.com wrote: Le lundi 04 juillet 2011 à 14:53 +0200, Kay Sievers a écrit : On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 14:10, Frederic Crozat fcro...@suse.com wrote: (this macro could refer to different package, if people don't agree on systemd-units

Re: [systemd-devel] RFC: creating a set of systemd RPM macros across distributions ?

2011-07-04 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 19:33, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Mon, 04.07.11 19:28, Kay Sievers (kay.siev...@vrfy.org) wrote: I don't really see how a subpackage gives us any advantage, and we should not recommend its use, I think. In that case, I suggest we keep

Re: [systemd-devel] [RFC] Preset Files

2011-07-05 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 01:07, Marius Tolzmann tolzm...@molgen.mpg.de wrote: On 06.07.2011 00:51, Kay Sievers wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 00:42, Lennart Poetteringlenn...@poettering.net  wrote: We will require an argument. There will no 'change all services' logic. Uh? Actually, I do

[systemd-devel] FYI: update about separate /usr

2011-07-10 Thread Kay Sievers
Just a note, I've updated parts of the page which systemd points to, in case it finds an empty /usr at bootup: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken If your distro wants to support a separate /usr, please make sure the initramfs of that distro supports to mount

Re: [systemd-devel] Environment for prefdm.service

2011-07-11 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 22:11, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Mon, 11.07.11 15:51, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering (lenn...@poettering.net) said: Sorry if I'm missing something simple or if I have confused myself beyond all hope.  I

Re: [systemd-devel] building with uClibc (was: minimal-uclibc: systemd fails with `src/manager.c:257:42: error: 'EPOLL_CLOEXEC' undeclared (first use in this function)`)

2011-07-13 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 03:39, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Tue, 12.07.11 18:24, Khem Raj (raj.k...@gmail.com) wrote: OK. If I may suggest you could probably standardize on posix rather than glibc. This would make it easier for other libc. Glibc has certain extensions

Re: [systemd-devel] using systemd for user-specific services

2011-07-19 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:43, Tim Cuthbertson t...@gfxmonk.net wrote: I've seen systemd described as a system session manager, I was wondering how far the session manager aspect could be taken. Is it possible to have services run on a per-user basis, that don't require root access to

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] fix bogus boot error message

2011-07-19 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 13:22, Kelly Anderson ke...@silka.with-linux.com wrote: The following commit introduces a bogus error message on boot since localtime may be a negative number, i.e. GMT-7. The following patch just uses errno directly rather than using it indirectly through

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] fix bogus boot error message

2011-07-19 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 14:20, Kelly Anderson ke...@silka.with-linux.com wrote: On 07/19/11 06:04, Kay Sievers wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 13:22, Kelly Anderson ke...@silka.with-linux.com  wrote: The following commit introduces a bogus error message on boot since localtime may

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] fix bogus boot error message

2011-07-19 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 15:37, Kelly Anderson ke...@silka.with-linux.com wrote: Here's a patch that should have the desired results: -                                log_error(Failed to apply local time delta: %s, strerror(-min)); The patch can not be applied it seems mangled and

Re: [systemd-devel] how to let systemd mount /run very early?

2011-07-21 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 09:55, yang.y...@gmail.com wrote: i found some packages installed some files in /var/run and /var/lock, but /var/run is symbol linked to /run and /var/lock is symbol linked to /run/lock, /run is a tmpfs, it can't save some files permanently, Fedora's way is /run is a

Re: [systemd-devel] how to let systemd mount /run very early?

2011-07-21 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 15:31, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Thu, 21.07.11 15:55, yang.y...@gmail.com (yang.y...@gmail.com) wrote: i found some packages installed some files in /var/run and /var/lock, but /var/run is symbol linked to /run and /var/lock is symbol linked to

Re: [systemd-devel] EnvironmentFile being ignored.

2011-07-29 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 17:00, Steve Dickson ste...@redhat.com wrote: Doing a 'systemctl show' it appears my EnvironmentFile is being ignored EnvironmentFile=/etc/sysconfig/nfs (ignore=yes) Why is this happening? In the service file is a '-' in front, right? Then the errors are ignored not

Re: [systemd-devel] namespace: session dependant mtab

2011-08-03 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 16:07, Stef Bon stef...@gmail.com wrote: I've been looking into how namespaces work, shared mounted subtrees and user namespaces using PAM. My own construction is using a FUSE filesystem, some bind mounts of system directories and (still) pam_chroot. and looking to

Re: [systemd-devel] namespace: session dependant mtab

2011-08-03 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 16:19, Stef Bon stef...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/3 Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 16:07, Stef Bon stef...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't it a good idea to provide every different namespace a own mtab, containing only the mounts visible

Re: [systemd-devel] kernel dependency = 2.6.37 now?

2011-08-11 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 13:34, Marius Tolzmann tolzm...@molgen.mpg.de wrote: shouldn't the kernel dependency in the README be raised to = 2.6.37 due to the fact that logind needs /sys/class/tty/tty0/active support which was first released with 2.6.37-rc7 if i don't got something wrong?

Re: [systemd-devel] v33 - crashes on 'systemctl enable'?

2011-08-17 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:25, Frederic Crozat fcro...@suse.com wrote: | #7  0x7fc9e995abe7 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3 | #8  0x7fc9e994da2b in dbus_message_iter_append_basic () from /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3 Please try if -git works. Thanks, Kay

Re: [systemd-devel] kernel dependency = 2.6.37 now?

2011-08-18 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 15:42, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Wed, 10.08.11 13:34, Marius Tolzmann (tolzm...@molgen.mpg.de) wrote: shouldn't the kernel dependency in the README be raised to = 2.6.37 due to the fact that logind needs /sys/class/tty/tty0/active support

Re: [systemd-devel] PATCH: add support for compose_table, kbd_rate and disabling caplocks

2011-08-19 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 17:22, Frederic Crozat fcro...@suse.com wrote: even if I know it is kind of SUSE specific, I was wondering if you were interested in merging attached patch (I tried to wrapped most of it inside TARGET_SUSE) which support more options from SUSE kbd initscripts. I

Re: [systemd-devel] Using systemd/udev acl management to open up additional /dev nodes on request

2011-09-19 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 16:17, Hans de Goede hdego...@redhat.com wrote: Currently when people want to use usbredirection to a virtual machine from spice-client, they must launch the spice-client as root so that it can access device nodes under /dev/bus/usb. Since the purpose is for

Re: [systemd-devel] Using systemd/udev acl management to open up additional /dev nodes on request

2011-09-19 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 15:13, Hans de Goede hdego...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 16:17, Hans de Goedehdego...@redhat.com wrote: You can set the ACLs yourself, but they might get removed with the next udev event, depending how the ACLs are managed. This is currently only safe,

Re: [systemd-devel] Where to put the environment files?

2011-09-24 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:57, Thomas Meyer tho...@m3y3r.de wrote: is there a recommendation where to best put the environment files? and what file extension should these files have? I did prepare this service unit for apache derby and did put the environment file into /usr/share/java/derby/

Re: [systemd-devel] [RFC][PATCH v2] analyze: draw kernel and initrd boot time as well

2011-09-26 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 20:41, Koen Kooi k...@dominion.thruhere.net wrote: Sample output without initrd: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/angstrom/systemd/omap4430-panda-201109221422.svg Signed-off-by: Koen Kooi k...@dominion.thruhere.net --- Second attempt at this, please check the logic

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] readahead: read /usr files last for rotational media, skip /var

2011-09-30 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 15:25, Paolo Bonzini bonz...@gnu.org wrote: On 09/30/2011 03:08 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: /usr will not be a good rule, and hard coding such things in the code, we should should probably avoid in general. Even if it will not be a good rule, right now it is at least

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] readahead: read /usr files last for rotational media, skip /var

2011-10-01 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 13:09, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote: ]] Kay Sievers | Actually I see a contradiction: if /lib is going to become /usr/lib, | there's no reason to hard code /usr paths in systemd.  Just use /lib | until the day comes.  But it's irrelevant. | | Nah, it's

Re: [systemd-devel] systemctl and detach in udev RUN

2011-10-06 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:29, Albert Strasheim full...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Albert Strasheim full...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all I have the following udev rule in a machine with a bunch of disks: SUBSYSTEM==block, KERNEL==sd*, TAG+=systemd, ACTION==add,

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] docs: fix build without xsltproc

2011-10-10 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 01:59, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Tue, 11.10.11 01:36, Kay Sievers (kay.siev...@vrfy.org) wrote: Fix xsltproc? Hmm? What do you mean? What should it to differently? I mean, if it isn't installed it can't do anything differently, can it? It's

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH 0/4] systemd and watchdog

2011-10-12 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 15:12, Michael Olbrich m.olbr...@pengutronix.de wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 06:59:14PM +0200, Michael Olbrich wrote: What do you think? No comments at all? I realize, that this is not a topic that is relevant for most people. But maybe I could get some feedback if

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Makefile.am: reduce linked libraries

2011-11-01 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 23:39, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: Hmm, let me see if I get this right: with this patch applied we'd build cap and selinux support into libsystemd-basic.la, but we wouldn't link against the respective libraries but instead do that in the binaries

Re: [systemd-devel] PATCH: do not run fsck on tmpfs mountpoint

2011-11-02 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 15:27, Karel Zak k...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 12:15:29PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:21, Frederic Crozat fcro...@suse.com wrote: Le mardi 01 novembre 2011 à 16:54 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit : On Thu, 27.10.11 16:19

Re: [systemd-devel] PATCH: do not run fsck on tmpfs mountpoint

2011-11-02 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 15:46, Karel Zak k...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 03:39:37PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote:  Unfortunately major(s.st_rdev) is probably useless, try to mount any  btrfs device :-) Yeah, it was about fsck only, not mount. :)  Hmm... I'm talking about fsck

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd kills mdmon if it was started manually by user

2011-11-02 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 20:31, Williams, Dan J dan.j.willi...@intel.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 19:16, Williams, Dan J dan.j.willi...@intel.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org

Re: [systemd-devel] Question about generators and adding new units in the middle of a transaction

2011-11-04 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 13:22, Manuel Amador rud...@rudd-o.com wrote: I am developing systemd support for ZFS: as you can see, I create the units early on bootup using a generator (a mechanism that is entirely undocumented, tsk). It isn't documented, because it's use is not encouraged for most

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd kills mdmon if it was started manually by user

2011-11-06 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 03:52, NeilBrown ne...@suse.de wrote: However there is an important piece missing.  When you remount,ro a filesystem, the block device doesn't get told so it thinks it is still open read/write.  So md cannot tell mdmon that the array is now read-only That ro/rw flag is

Re: [systemd-devel] modprobe in service file

2011-11-09 Thread Kay Sievers
2011/11/9 Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net: On Wed, 09.11.11 08:13, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) wrote: Do you have any links to documentation on how to autoload kmods on use? Well, this is a kernel feature. The kernel module developers have to add the right directives

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Circumvent autofs_v5_packet_union size bug

2011-11-11 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 14:26, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:58, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Tue, 20.09.11 11:36, Ian Kent (ra...@themaw.net) wrote: This is a bug in the kernel, and it should be fixed in the kernel (which would

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Circumvent autofs_v5_packet_union size bug

2011-11-13 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 02:38, Ian Kent ra...@themaw.net wrote: On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 14:33 +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 14:26, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:58, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Tue, 20.09.11 11

Re: [systemd-devel] Support machines with multiple RTCs?

2011-11-22 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 21:18, Koen Kooi k...@dominion.thruhere.net wrote: Op 22 nov. 2011, om 18:28 heeft Kay Sievers het volgende geschreven: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 18:10, Martin Langhoff  #2 -- is customary to prefer /dev/rtc if present -- so that we can symlink to the right rtc from udev

Re: [systemd-devel] Support machines with multiple RTCs?

2011-11-22 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 23:42, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote: Yeah, that's intentional. Udev on other platforms can't know which rtc should be the preferred one. Well, now you can: if it says hctosys

Re: [systemd-devel] Understanding systemd-analyze's plots

2011-11-26 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 22:52, Stefan Majewsky stefan.majew...@googlemail.com wrote: my openSUSE 12.1 system boots in about 30 seconds, and I wanted to cut that time down a bit, so I took a look at systemd-analyze's blame and plot output. But I do not really know how to interpret the results

Re: [systemd-devel] Understanding systemd-analyze's plots

2011-11-27 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 13:42, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote: On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:44 AM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 22:52, Stefan Majewsky stefan.majew...@googlemail.com wrote: my openSUSE 12.1 system boots in about 30 seconds

Re: [systemd-devel] Linux Journal API/client lib

2011-12-02 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 13:59, Rainer Gerhards rgerha...@gmail.com wrote: as you probably know, I am not a big fan of the journald proposal, but that's not the point of my question. I am thinking about how to integrate journal data into a syslog logging solution. You know that the syslog daemon

Re: [systemd-devel] Linux Journal API/client lib

2011-12-02 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 16:14, Rainer Gerhards rgerha...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 13:59, Rainer Gerhards rgerha...@gmail.com wrote: as you probably know, I am not a big fan of the journald proposal

Re: [systemd-devel] Linux Journal API/client lib

2011-12-02 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 17:02, Rainer Gerhards rgerha...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote: /dev/log will be read by journald. The syslog.socket filedescriptor that the syslog daemon receives, will be provided by journald and have all

Re: [systemd-devel] Linux Journal API/client lib

2011-12-02 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 19:07, Rainer Gerhards rgerha...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 17:02, Rainer Gerhards rgerha...@gmail.com wrote: Well, if syslogd, or any other consumer, is interested in the metadata

Re: [systemd-devel] Linux Journal API/client lib

2011-12-03 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 21:21, Rainer Gerhards rgerha...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote: Well, if syslogd, or any other consumer, is interested in the metadata, it should not rely in /dev/log. /dev/log will probably stay what it is which

Re: [systemd-devel] Linux Journal API/client lib

2011-12-03 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 15:23, Rainer Gerhards rgerha...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote: Well, that's not making it hard to access information, it's trying hard not to break established interfaces. If syslog *could* be extended

Re: [systemd-devel] Linux Journal API/client lib

2011-12-03 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 17:36, Rainer Gerhards rgerha...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote: One more question on the integration part. We now know that rsyslog needs to read the journal and convert that into proper syslog format. Given my

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd footprint

2011-12-04 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 23:31, Holger Winkelmann h...@travelping.com wrote: We are about to renovate our embedded toolchain a bit and consider to integrate systemd as init. We are a bit concerned about the DBUS dependency in systemd as we have to meet a 4-8 MB hard disk (flash) requirement,

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd footprint

2011-12-04 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 17:52, Holger Winkelmann [TP] h...@travelping.com wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: For very simple setups, the D-Bus bus daemon is not absolutely necessary, and can probably be made optional with a few changes, but the D-Bus protocol is used

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd footprint

2011-12-04 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 20:45, Holger Winkelmann h...@travelping.com wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 17:52, Holger Winkelmann [TP] h...@travelping.com wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: For very simple setups, the D-Bus bus

Re: [systemd-devel] Linux Journal API/client lib

2011-12-04 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 20:41, Rainer Gerhards rgerha...@gmail.com wrote: I have digested our discussion now. Two questions came up: The first one is a bit direct and blunt, my apologies for that. But I want to make sure I put effort into the right place. Do you see any benefit in an interface

Re: [systemd-devel] test mode

2011-12-08 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 03:40, Ken Bass kb...@kenbass.com wrote: The documentation told me that 'systemd --test' was a great debugging tool. However, running it simply yields ''Don't run test mode as root.. Ok So I try to run it as non-root and get Failed to create root cgroup hierarchy:

Re: [systemd-devel] help on syslog-ng and systemd-kmsg-syslogd.service

2011-12-12 Thread Kay Sievers
2011/12/12 蔡万钊 caiwanz...@redflag-linux.com: I had this issue since the release of systemd-37. system start up hang on syslog-ng If I comment out ExecStartPre=/bin/systemctl stop systemd-kmsg-syslogd.service then system boots successfull. But, dbus-daemon keep on poluting my screens. dbus

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd stops booting

2011-12-17 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:41, Sipos Ferenc sipos.fer...@bpokft.hu wrote: I have a laptop with a dual boot and lvm setup, systemd works fine there. On my desktop machine, it stops booting after starting lock (mounting all partition), I can reboot with ctrl-alt-del (it complains about ck-log-

Re: [systemd-devel] [patch] build: do not touch CFLAGS

2012-01-06 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 02:18, Jan Engelhardt jeng...@medozas.de wrote: Per the automake manual section 3.6 Variables reserved for the user, CFLAGS should _not_ be touched. That's right. Right now, one cannot successfully complete `make CFLAGS=-fvisibility=default`, because systemd flags are

Re: [systemd-devel] [patch] build: do not touch CFLAGS

2012-01-06 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 04:34, Jan Engelhardt jeng...@medozas.de wrote: On Saturday 2012-01-07 02:22, Kay Sievers wrote:  Furthermore, it overrides per_target_CFLAGS, which is also undesired. Guess, we need a cleaner solution, this patch looks even more like a hack. From the rather sparse

Re: [systemd-devel] Using systemd as a session manager

2012-01-09 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 17:44, Alessandro Delgado adelgado1...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to know if anybody knows something on using systemd as a session manager. What I mean as a session manager is something responsable for having some programs that I'd like to be running under certain

Re: [systemd-devel] Using systemd as a session manager

2012-01-09 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 21:29, Alessandro Delgado adelgado1...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 17:44, Alessandro Delgado adelgado1...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to know if anybody knows something on using

Re: [systemd-devel] [HEADS-UP] systemd and Storage Daemons for the Root File System

2012-01-11 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 16:04, Jan Engelhardt jeng...@medozas.de wrote: Therefore you can detect which programs where started inside the rootfs vfsmount. That information can then influence killing decisions as needed. Now, Kay Sievers claims (on IRC) pivot_root is 10 years ago stuff

Re: [systemd-devel] Graphical tool for analysing dependency graph

2012-01-12 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 15:24, david.ya...@continental-corporation.com wrote: I just wondered whether anyone knew of a tool that could create a graphical view of the dependency graph created by systemd at run-time. For an embedded project in which we are integrating systemd, it would make

Re: [systemd-devel] Help regarding priorization of processes at start up

2012-01-12 Thread Kay Sievers
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 15:33, George Stefan stefan.georg...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I want to implement a dynamic way of starting up services using systemd immediatly after boot. So, my question is: Does systemd have an internal list of processes that are awaiting to be started? and is

Re: [systemd-devel] Help regarding priorization of processes at start up

2012-01-12 Thread Kay Sievers
traversing method used? It's just a tree of units, and everything without any further dependencies is immediately scheduled to start. Kay 2012/1/12 Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 15:33, George Stefan stefan.georg...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I want to implement

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH ] Adding /etc/fstab.d/*.fstab support

2012-01-20 Thread Kay Sievers
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 14:36, Masatake YAMATO yam...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 07:52, Masatake YAMATO yam...@redhat.com wrote: mount command in the latest version of util-linux(2.21-rc1[1]) supports /etc/fstab.d; mount command reads /etc/fstab.d/*.fstab files as if they are

Re: [systemd-devel] Support machines with multiple RTCs?

2012-01-20 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 04:04, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 22, 2011 5:58 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 23:42, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org

Re: [systemd-devel] socket failed to queue socket startup job: Transport endpoint is not connected

2012-01-20 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 06:11, Albert Strasheim full...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 5:05 AM, Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net wrote: On Wed, 18.01.12 12:06, Albert Strasheim (full...@gmail.com) wrote: Just for the sake of the Google archives: Michal fixed that in git

Re: [systemd-devel] User services

2012-01-23 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 16:05, Mike Kazantsev mk.frag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:22:46 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Mike Kazantsev mk.frag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:16:52 +0100 Christian

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] systemd v39

2012-01-25 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:11, Jan Engelhardt jeng...@medozas.de wrote: On Wednesday 2012-01-25 02:02, Lennart Poettering wrote: [v39] * If a group adm exists, journal files are automatically  owned by them This sounds like it has the potential that journal files suddenly beomce writable by

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] systemd v39

2012-01-25 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:59, Michael Biebl mbi...@gmail.com wrote: Am 25. Januar 2012 12:00 schrieb Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:11, Jan Engelhardt jeng...@medozas.de wrote: On Wednesday 2012-01-25 02:02, Lennart Poettering wrote: [v39] * If a group adm exists

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] build-sys: add creation of /var/lib/systemd path, used by logind

2012-01-25 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 16:33, Mike Kazantsev mk.frag...@gmail.com wrote: Good day, Another issue I've spotted with logind on my system. systemd-loginctl enable-linger goes to src/login/logind-dbus.c:1191, which seem to do:  r = safe_mkdir(/var/lib/systemd/linger, 0755, 0, 0); ...and

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd launch

2012-02-14 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 17:28, ayoub ayoub ayoubb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, i am using fedora16 i want to know how systemd is launched?? init=/bin/systemd isn't specified on the kernel command line in grub2.conf?? Usually with the /sbin/init symlink. /sbin/init is the kernel's default. Dracut in

Re: [systemd-devel] [HEADS-UP] Support for /etc/os-release now kinda mandatory

2012-02-14 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 19:19, Koen Kooi k...@dominion.thruhere.net wrote: Op 14 feb. 2012, om 10:16 heeft Lennart Poettering het volgende geschreven: On Mon, 13.02.12 18:39, Lennart Poettering (lenn...@poettering.net) wrote: We are taking this as first step for removing all the per-distro

Re: [systemd-devel] [Linux-ima-user] [PATCH 2/2] main: added support for loading IMA custom policies

2012-02-21 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 15:07, Colin Guthrie gm...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: The code for loading IMA custom policies was placed in the initial ramdisk with the purpose to avoid distribution specific dependencies. However, since the SELinux initialization has been moved to Systemd and Systemd

Re: [systemd-devel] [Linux-ima-user] [PATCH 2/2] main: added support for loading IMA custom policies

2012-02-21 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 18:32, Roberto Sassu roberto.sa...@polito.it wrote: I meant we can create a new package called for example 'ima-utils' that can be used by Systemd to determine, at compile time, whether the IMA support for loading custom policies should be enabled or not. That's not

Re: [systemd-devel] [Linux-ima-user] [PATCH 2/2] main: added support for loading IMA custom policies

2012-02-21 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 19:07, Roberto Sassu roberto.sa...@polito.it wrote: On 02/21/2012 06:56 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: ok, that was because Systemd also checks for the presence of libselinux in order to enable the SELinux support. Yeah, systemd provides a shared lib which we need to link

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] fsck: remove distro specific guards on forcefsck/fastboot

2012-03-19 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 04:20, Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com wrote: It's not really clear why these were guarded to begin with, but given that they're opt in, it doesn't really make much sense. Give everyone the benefit of these commandline parameters. They are guarded so that these 'silly'

Re: [systemd-devel] Loading Kernel Modules

2012-03-19 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 14:42, Pawel Pastuszak pawelpastus...@gmail.com wrote: I am new to to systemd, i trying to learn how to the configuration files using system vs the old method of sysv with init.d script so i have couple scripts that i uses currently for loading couple custom drivers and

Re: [systemd-devel] Loading Kernel Modules

2012-03-19 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 15:02, Pawel Pastuszak pawelpastus...@gmail.com wrote: So in this case how would you support upgrading the kernel module? The main reason to do the module unload is so you can upgrade the module to an new version. Just do that _in_ the running service; systemd can not

Re: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] systemd v44

2012-03-19 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 15:03, Thierry Reding thierry.red...@avionic-design.de wrote: * Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/19/2012 07:59 AM, Thierry Reding wrote: * Kay Sievers wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 15:14, Koen Kooi k

Re: [systemd-devel] Loading Kernel Modules

2012-03-19 Thread Kay Sievers
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 16:02, Pawel Pastuszak pawelpastus...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure if i made my self clear, what i am doing is and custom distro for an custom embedded device, which i want to have the ability to upgrade the system in runtime, which i need to ability to to stop my

Re: [systemd-devel] special characters in console

2012-03-20 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 17:22, Christian Hesse l...@eworm.de wrote: I used to have problems with special characters in console, this includes German umlauts (ä, ö, ü ß) and pseudo graphical stuff produced by pstree, tmux and friends. I fix to by appending linux to the agetty command in

Re: [systemd-devel] Fwd: creating dynamic access control lists for a device: systemd and udev

2012-03-25 Thread Kay Sievers
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 20:31, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've posted this to the Fedora developers list, but maybe it's more appropriate here. Since writing it I've confirmed the uaccess TAG does what I expect, but I'm not sure having that set directly by the device rule would

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