t-and-f: Gardener's Sydney path left open

The Electronic Telegraph Tuesday 15 August 2000 By Tom Knight MARK LEWIS-FRANCIS, Britain's latest sprint sensation, ended his brief flirtation with Olympic glory yesterday by announcing he that did not want to go to Sydney. The 17-year-old finished third in the 100 metres at the Olympic tria

Re: t-and-f: FWD: The system, Not an answer.

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:54:59 -0700, you wrote: >I've always had wild idea that was what the sport was always about. Sadly, >on a daily basis, I'm reminded that others reject my bizzarre theory. > >malmo > >> >> The system needs to learn to recognize that who beats whom is >> more important >> tha

t-and-f: Jones no longer running with the herd

The Electronic Telegraph Tuesday 15 August 2000 Mike Lewis IT IS tempting to view Andres Jones as a modern-day Alf Tupper, but not even the 'Tough of the Track' had to dodge molehills and yapping pet dogs while training for the Olympics at his local football pitch with only the streetlights' g

t-and-f: Ranking

Garry Hill made some good points about the proposed IAAF system of ranking. I'm not trying to write a complete critique, but I'd like to mention a couple of fatal flaws in their system. The quality of competition is not the same for every event of a meet. Thus, a national ch

t-and-f: Industry Standard: "Banned From the Olympics "

Another good article about the Sydney web blackout -- this one from a 'net industry perspective... [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Banned From the Olympics The International Olympic Committee has essentially blocked Web sites from covering the games in Sydney, Australia. For more Olympic coverage, see

t-and-f: Swedish test of Thomas's mettle

The Electronic Telegraph Tuesday 15 August 2000 Tom Knight IWAN THOMAS flew off on a salvage mission last night, hoping to rescue his Olympic dream in the small Swedish town of Falkoping. The European and Commonwealth 400 metres champion plans to test himself at the local meeting and convince

RE: t-and-f: FWD: The system, Not an answer.

> > The system needs to learn to recognize that who beats whom is > more important > than the time. > > gh I've always had wild idea that was what the sport was always about. Sadly, on a daily basis, I'm reminded that others reject my bizzarre theory. malmo

t-and-f: Elite fields for Parkersburg Half-Marathon?

I am looking for the expected elite fields for the Parkersburg Half-Marathon, which is the USATF Championship. thanks Charles F. Wandler, list error handler, t-and-f lists, Univ of Oregon [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: IAAF to hand out wildcards?

In a message dated 8/14/00 19:22:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Not necessarily. We've already seen the precedent- last year the policy for the World Champs was already in place LONG before the U.S. selection meet, and we didn't see athletes who 'already had a pass' dropping out like an epide

Re: t-and-f: Re: Wildcards

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:37:15 -0700, you wrote: >Macdezal wrote: > >>After thinking about this all day I say give them both the wild card option >>if they can prove thier 200m fitness level before the games with a sub 20 >>performance. I see no reason not to have 2 great athletes competing in the

Re: t-and-f: FWD: The system, Not an answer.

In a message dated 8/14/00 09:41:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << My understanding of the ranking system suggests that Dobert and Kosgei would get exactly the same number of performance points for winning their national championships. Any difference between the two performances would be the

t-and-f: System

I've actually enjoyed all the postings on the selection differences. I asked the list for explanations of the way it works in different countries and received several different responses. Maybe I'm missing something, though, but it seems that the system whereby the top 3 finishers/placers in a

Re: (long) t-and-f: FWD: The system, Not an answer.

In a message dated 8/12/00 10:26:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Of course, a big part of the T&FN persona is built around their annual rankings- they have grown over many years to become a part of everything from shoe company bonuses to appearance fees. Mostly because nobody until now has step

Re: t-and-f: Wildcards

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:13:23 -0400, you wrote: >Although I'd love to see MG & MJ go at it in Sydney, they did not make >the team and this is a bastardization of the qualifying process if they >are let in now. If this had been announced prior to the OT, then it >would seem a little less seedy. T

Re: t-and-f: Wildcards and NBC?

Will you please get a life! They lost, it's over, they may or may not have another chance. As for a better system, find one. Wildcard entries sounds like the NFL. Get over it. We have qualified entries in the field. Put it to rest. Good Night!

t-and-f: Re: Wildcards

Macdezal wrote: >After thinking about this all day I say give them both the wild card option >if they can prove thier 200m fitness level before the games with a sub 20 >performance. I see no reason not to have 2 great athletes competing in the >games especially if they are already at the games in

Re: t-and-f: IAAF to hand out wildcards?

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:21:10 -0700, you wrote: >If Michael Johnson and Maurice Greene are offered wildcards, then shouldn't >all defending World and Olympic champions also be offered one? I'm guessing >Dan O'Brien would also be interested in obtaining one of these wildcards. >If this policy shou

t-and-f: Auto-Invites: You don't think NBC is running the show?

For some of you who are skeptical that it's NBC that's calling the shots on possible special invites to significant athletes (they'll let the IAAF come up with the formula, as long as it brings in the names they want), check out this story which ran on AP earlier today, and note that it's the IOC

Re: t-and-f: Wild Cards

In a message dated 8/14/00 7:27:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << .. However, if there are going to be wild cards would they just be given to those two or would there be some "criteria" set up that would allow others the opportunity as well ?? Former Olympic or

t-and-f: Al Harrison's running form

Netters:     Watching the Weltklasse men's 400 tonight, I was amazed at the running form of Al Harrison.       The TV announcers commented on the wide swing of his right leg as he approached the finish line, but left it there. It is obvious that had he strode properly to the fi

t-and-f: NBC tape of Trials

I was fortunate to have someone tape for me all the trials coverage from PAX. I did not however get the NBC coverage. Is there anyone out there who has that and could make a copy? I have equipment here to make copies if you trust me? I did purchase a copy of the whole meet from a lurking list m

Re: t-and-f: FWD: The system, Not an answer.

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:43:32 GMT, you wrote: >RT wrote: > >>Don't use the T&FN rankings. Use the new IAAF world rankings. They're >>done by a computer using defined criteria. > > > >Use of a computer doesn't abolish the smoke-filled room; it is merely the >smoke-filled room once removed. You

Re: t-and-f: Wild Cards

I'm not sure if I favor wild cards for Greene and Johnson or not .. However, if there are going to be wild cards would they just be given to those two or would there be some "criteria" set up that would allow others the opportunity as well ?? Former Olympic or World Champions ?? Record Holders ??

t-and-f: Wild Cards

After thinking about this all day I say give them both the wild card option if they can prove thier 200m fitness level before the games with a sub 20 performance. I see no reason not to have 2 great athletes competing in the games especially if they are already at the games in other events whil

Re: t-and-f: Wildcards and Olympic dollars

The LA Times ran a multi-part series on the IOC. I was able to dig up the URL from an old usenet msg, however the LA Times site seems to be down right now (@ 5:10pm EST --- couldn't ping their server). http://www.latimes.com/sports/reports/ioc/index.htm Pete At 12:44 PM 8/14/00 -0700, Jay Ul

RE: t-and-f: FWD: The system, Not an answer.

RT wrote: >Don't use the T&FN rankings. Use the new IAAF world rankings. They're >done by a computer using defined criteria. > Use of a computer doesn't abolish the smoke-filled room; it is merely the smoke-filled room once removed. You still have a bunch of guys sitting around deciding wh

Re: t-and-f: Heads-Up: ESPN2 Has Moved Weltklasse Up One Hour

If you're not going to be home, and plan to tape tonight's show, I would suggest you play it safe by setting your VCR for 3-hours (7-10, EDT). The folks who produced the show for ESPN2 were under the impression that the show would air from 8-10. Walt Murphy

t-and-f: wildcard nonsense

until there's hard evidence that such a plan has been put into action, I suggest there's no need to get quite so exercised over the whole thing. this corner says it ain't gonna happen, period. gh

t-and-f: USA v. Germany Decathlon

Full results and a short summary of the meet are available on the USATF-LI website. http://www.litf.org MJR

t-and-f: Wildcards

Although I'd love to see MG & MJ go at it in Sydney, they did not make the team and this is a bastardization of the qualifying process if they are let in now. If this had been announced prior to the OT, then it would seem a little less seedy. This is akin to letting the Jacksonville Jaguars play

Re: t-and-f: IAAF to hand out wildcards?

If Michael Johnson and Maurice Greene are offered wildcards, then shouldn't all defending World and Olympic champions also be offered one? I'm guessing Dan O'Brien would also be interested in obtaining one of these wildcards. If this policy should become standard practice for all future Olympic G

Re: t-and-f: Wildcards and NBC?

And if one of them has an off day or injury at the Olympics? Or if both MJ and MG have bad days? We'll just re-run until we get the desired result? The trials is a great meet exactly because of the uncertainty of it all, and the stakes are magnified because of that. And it gives us something to

t-and-f: Wild cards and Olympic dollars

On wildcards: Someone speculated that both MJ and Mo would refuse wildcards if offered. I've seen MJ quoted as saying he would turn one down, but with his earlier flip-flop on 200 "retirement" and the lure of Olympic glory--not to mention the intense pressure from broadcast execs--who knows? An

t-and-f: Greek results and national records

Although with some delay, we finally posted the results of Greek U23 Championships 2000 at our site: http://www.athletix.gr   During the champs Anastassios Goussis broke the 400 m. national record, running the distance in 45" 55. (6 August, Kastoria), while Costas Zalaggitis jump a 17, 18 m.

t-and-f: Wildcards and Olympic dollars

On wildcards: Someone speculated that MJ and Mo would both turn them down. I've seen MJ quoted as saying he would refuse one, but given his flip-flop on 200 "retirement" and the lure of Olympic glory, who knows? And I saw Mo quoted last week (sorry, I don't recall the source, maybe NBCOlympics.

t-and-f: Wildcards and Olympic dollars

On wildcards: Someone speculated that MJ and Mo would both turn them down. I've seen MJ quoted as saying he would refuse one, but given his flip-flop on 200 "retirement" and the lure of Olympic glory, who knows? And I saw Mo quoted last week (sorry, I don't recall the source, maybe NBCOlympics.

re:t-and-f: dingos and kangeroos

Catching up after the weekend, I could resist the following suggestion. A shark for an agenthmmmsounds like Mr. Norman might be the perfect fit. (He only shares the surname of golfer who should consider becoming an agent or at least retiring. BTW, is Norman synonymous with shark?) Allen

Re: t-and-f: UK Trials Notes

Paul Halford wrote >I don't think we can judge them too harshly for being reluctant to compete >for nothing (although some you'd think would want to consider their >reputation a bit more). But let's not be hypocritical about it. > >Do we have to threaten them with the US selection system to get th

t-and-f: Cuba calls squad home

The Irish Times Monday, August 14, 2000 Jane Walker The Cuban government have ordered a group of Cuban athletes to leave their training camp near Madrid after the war of words between the Spanish and Cuban governments reached breaking point. The dispute centres on the Cuban-born long jumping

t-and-f: Heads-Up: ESPN2 Has Moved Weltklasse Up One Hour

Listers, It appears from a scan of my local listings and several Internet websites that ESPN2 has moved its tape-delayed broadcast of last Friday's Weltklasse up to 6-8:00 CDT or 7-9:00 EDT, tonight. Check your local listings just to be sure. Regards, BK

t-and-f: Trial runs turn into the real thing

The Electronic Telegraph Monday 14 August 2000 Brendan Gallagher THERE is nothing like a non-negotiable deadline to frighten you witless or get the juices flowing. Suddenly there are no more excuses and no more tomorrows. Sportsmen generally loathe trials with a vengeance but occasionally they

t-and-f: Lewis-Francis and Baulch provide food for thought

The Electronic Telegraph Monday 14 August 2000 Tom Knight MARK Lewis-Francis and Jamie Baulch will be the names at the top of the agenda today when selectors meet to pick Britain's team for next month's Olympic Games. The nine selectors will take little time in listing the majority of athletes

Re: t-and-f: FWD: The system, Not an answer.

- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:27 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: FWD: The system, Not an answer. > > note also that Pascal Dobert earned more IAAF points for winning the steeple > at Sacramento than did Reuben Kosgei f

Re: t-and-f: IAAF to hand out wildcards?

What makes the IAAF think that Maurice or Michael would accept those wild cards anyway? I think they are both happy to be competing in their strength event plus the respective relays. If wild cards become a possibility for those two...there is a good chance both will be turned down. A.C.

t-and-f: Supervisor's Notes - The Religion Thing Again...

Justin wrote: >>Jonathan Edwards is fast running out of >> friends in the sport. Aside from his whiney, self-indulgent attitude he >> simply has no interest in competing in the UK. One jump in the GP was >> absurd, and his absence yesterday meant Larry Achike had to jump when >> obviously hurt.

Re: t-and-f: IAAF to hand out wildcards?

In a message dated Sun, 13 Aug 2000 8:20:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tom Borish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << The International Amateur Athletics Federation is reportedly set to offer Maurice Greene and Michael Johnson wildcard entries for the 200 metres at the Sydney Olympics. What is th

Re: t-and-f: Wild Cards

The solution would be to make it clear right now that Greene will run the relay if, and only if, he passes up the 200. Frankly, I think we would be better off with Heard or Capel on the anchor anyway--with a running start, they would probably beat him at 100.

Re: t-and-f: Wild Cards

OK, sounds fair to me. Why not just let NBC (or whoever may be doing the TV) pick the team? That way they can get exactly the matchups they want. Then we can leave the guys like Chad Harting and Walter Davis home, since only the real track nuts know about them and TV could care less about th

Re: t-and-f: UK Trials Notes

Justin Clouder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Lewis-Francis beat Jason Gardener for the third spot in the 100m. L-F > is awesome for a 17 yr old. He's very powerful indeed and also very calm, as > he showed in his 100m semi when a shocking start left him 2-3m down on the > whole field. He ran

t-and-f: Wild Cards

Netters:     When you have as much mioney invested in "up close and personal" items as NBC has, it's worth spending a few more bucks to make sure you get to use them, I guess.       My prediction is that, if Johnson and Greene are added to the 200 field, Michael could make the

t-and-f: Devers story from IAAF

courtesy IAAF media relations. . . PRESS RELEASE FOR - IMMEDIATE RELEASE INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ATHLETIC FEDERATION Fédération Internationale d'Athlétisme Amateur NOT EVEN THE WIND CAN STOP GAIL DEVERS' DRIVE TO JACKPOT VICTORY IN IAAF GOLDEN LEAGUE THE TRUE TIMES OF MAURICE GREENE AND MAR

RE: t-and-f: Greene moves up a gear

Greene had 25 (legal) sub-10s before this year. Add in Osaka, Rome, Sacramento (1st round) and Zurich makes 29. Where's the 30th? Marty Post Senior Editor Runner's World Magazine www.runnersworld.com -Original Message- From: Eamonn Condon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, A

RE: t-and-f: UK Trials Notes

Indeed he is, something which I would have expected meant he conducted himself with a little more grace and consideration, and didn't cry and sulk when he loses (like happened at last year's WC). Justin > -- > From: John Bale > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 2:44 pm > To:

Re: t-and-f: Wildcards and NBC?

If I were a track purist, which I am not, then I would agree with you. As a fan, I think they should get wild cards, because I want to see the two fastest men in the world go at it head to head on the most elite stage it track and field and all else be damned. D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > G

Re: t-and-f: UK Trials Notes

Justin wrote: Jonathan Edwards is fast running out of > friends in the sport. Aside from his whiney, self-indulgent attitude he > simply has no interest in competing in the UK. One jump in the GP was > absurd, and his absence yesterday meant Larry Achike had to jump when > obviously hurt. But, of

t-and-f: Selection Culture

Hi All Last post on this, I promise I think Richard is right to say: > I think to a large extent we are talking past each other. The issue here > is not designing and refining an alternative selection system. Our > differences are more fundamental: what is the objective for each country > t

t-and-f: UK Trials Notes

Hi All Some thoughts on the UK trials, purely random and off the top of my head. Remember that first two go subject to having the time, with the third spot at selectors discretion. In recent years there has been a presumption in favour of the third placer but there are not any fixed criteria. O