Re: t-and-f: Masters track loses friend: Alan Cranston

2001-01-01 Thread GHTFNedit
In a message dated Sun, 31 Dec 2000 9:50:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >From the Web: Cranston lettered twice in track at Stanford, and was on its mile relay team—the fastest in the nation—in 1935. His undergraduate best time in his regular event, the quarter mi

Fw: t-and-f: World Marathon Champs qualifying

2001-01-01 Thread Floyd Highfill
For Informations sake - A marathon course which drops the maximum 4.0m/km (169m/554' total) allowable by the women's 2001 World Champs qualifying rules, aids a runner about 1:10 at the pace these women run (about 56 seconds for men). Boston at 3.2m/km aids a 2:10 marathon about 45 seconds and a

RE: t-and-f: World Marathon Champs qualifying

2001-01-01 Thread malmo
Behalf Of Floyd Highfill > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 11:01 PM > To: Track & Field Listers > Subject: Fw: t-and-f: World Marathon Champs qualifying Boston at 3.2m/km aids a 2:10 marathon about 45 seconds > and a 2:25 marathon about 55 seconds. As usual, I have a chart > available..etc.

Re: t-and-f: World Marathon Champs qualifying

2001-01-01 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
> I'm not so sure that Boston's topography aids anyone, in fact, most would > argue that the brutal downhills at Newton Lower-Falls (15.5 miles), Saint > Ignatius Church (21 miles), and Beacon St. after Cleveland Circle (22.5 > miles to finish) hinder performance. Dozens of runners have come throu

t-and-f: World Marathon Champs qualifying-Boston

2001-01-01 Thread Tom Derderian
Boston at 3.2m/km aids a 2:10 marathon about 45 seconds > and a 2:25 marathon about 55 seconds. As usual, I have a chart > available..etc..etc... And Malmo said that the downhills rip up a runner. As the guy who wrote the book on Boston I can say that both are true... sometimes. With cool w

Re: t-and-f: World Marathon Champs qualifying

2001-01-01 Thread Tom Derderian
Whoops, I said, Boston can be very fast as it was in 1975, 1984, 1994, and > throughout its history at the rate of about one good year out of 10. But I slipped as my friend Benji politely corrected me off list, "I think you meant 1983 not 1984." Benji ran 2:90:57 and Benoit ran her 2:22

Re: t-and-f: World Marathon Champs qualifying-Boston

2001-01-01 Thread Floyd Highfill
Malmo/Parrot/Derderian are all right in substance but these items were not part of the original post which was the limit on the allowable decline of the course in the women's 2001 World Championships mararthon qualifying rules of 4.0m/km. Regardless of the topography of the course or the presence

Re: t-and-f: World Marathon Champs qualifying

2001-01-01 Thread JimRTimes
In a message dated 1/1/01 4:38:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >1. There is no way to gain back what you lose on uphills with an equivalent >number of downhills. > I would tend to agree w/ you Ed, (and my own experience would seem to indicate that) except that I just finished reading some old

RE: t-and-f: World Marathon Champs /Boston

2001-01-01 Thread Linda Honikman
> The bottom line of my argument is that the selection committee > should either > limit WC qualifying times only to courses that meet 185.5 (1m/km drop) or > allow all course to count - this halfway rule smacks of political > favoritism > to Boston at the expense of other races that may have stee

Re: t-and-f: World Marathon Champs qualifying

2001-01-01 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
>, the fact is that Boston's drop in total elevation >of some 555' from start to finish aids a runner by about 1 minute (give or >take) over a course of similar topography and climatic conditions which has > zero drop in total elevation. Well if it has a drop of 555', then it does not by definiti

RE: t-and-f: World Marathon Champs qualifying-Boston

2001-01-01 Thread malmo
Actually, here's the text of your original post...: ...(Floyd said) For Informations sake - A marathon course which drops the maximum 4.0m/km (169m/554' total) allowable by the women's 2001 World Champs qualifying rules, aids a runner about 1:10 at the pace these women run (about 56 seconds for

Re: t-and-f: World Marathon Champs qualifying-Boston

2001-01-01 Thread JimRTimes
In a message dated 1/1/01 8:15:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >I cannot name one runner who has ever said that they >were "aided" during that last five miles of Boston, can you? Great runner of 80s with powerful White Glove Kung-Fu, pranced like grasshopper down Beacon Street, won 4 races to

Re: t-and-f: World Marathon Champs qualifying

2001-01-01 Thread JimRTimes
In a message dated 1/1/01 7:55:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Jim Gerweck mentioned that 50% of the runners at >Boston beat their PR or qualifying time or something along those lines. > I'm not sure where he got that information, but I believe it is incorrect, >except maybe for 1983 or 1994.

Re: t-and-f: Tom Derderian's Boston Marathon book

2001-01-01 Thread Reuben Frank
To list administrator: I would like to complain that Tom's mention of his wonderful, incredible, marvelous book on the history of the Boston Marathon (1994 Human Kinetics Publishers) violates the non-commercial spirit of this list. Fortunately, he didn't include ordering information