Re: t-and-f: Women's Vault--4.30 and Above

Where is Svyetlana Fefanova, the second greatest vaulter in history, in all of this? Uri - Quoting Roger Ruth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Yesterday, I wrote: > > "The 2005 season marked the completion of the first full decade of > women's pole vault marks above 4.30 meters. 0n 28

Re: t-and-f: National Team Virtual Decathlon--Women Day Two

The 1500 m table is obviously meant at heptathletes, hence the relatively easy limit. In reality, Heptathletes are of different stocks. Some are excellent printers/jumpers. Others were very good at the shot or the javelin with acceptable performance in the sprint/hurdles. NONE was ever a 800 m sp

Re: t-and-f: Re: t-and-f: Cherkasova runs 800m in 1:56, as five duck under 1:59 ג€“ Kazan, IAAF GPII

You are confusing two athletes who have only age (almost) in common. Kratiochvilova suddenly leaped to great times at an age when most are downhill (reminds one of a cetain Florence Griffith-Joiner and a ceratin Lyudmila Bragina). Koch had been outstanding for long years and progressed gradually.

Re: t-and-f: reaction times (was: Prefontaine)

Nothing "insane" about Christie DQ in Atlanta. It was a clear steal. Thank goodness that an objective criterion had been implemented. The lack of one in Tokyo at the 1991 World champs had cost Christie himself a bronze medal. Sincerely, UG - Quoting Dan Kaplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: t-and-f: RE: [T&F] Questionable statistics?

The article is probably meant to be serious, and is also "based on legitimate" foolishness of a person that understands naught about human pefromance. Disgrace for Oxford (with whom I collaborate on two large international pooled aanlyses in epidemiology and have not encountered such nonsense, than

Re: t-and-f: Nesterenko is not- and far frm being- the only one

Dear Colleagyes, All of this almost vanishes in comparison to the wonderous progress of two ladies, one of whom is still very much with us: 1) Florence Griffith Joyner, may she rest in peavce. 2) Fani Halkia, who is likely to beat her rivals if not the World record in teh 400H finlas here (I am w

Re: t-and-f: Most Consistent Top Vaulters

As a prediction start for Athens this "consistency chart" is a non-starter (and not only because Jeff Hartwig did not make it...). Uri Quoting Roger Ruth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The following charts show the number of performances for each vaulter in > the top 100 recorded du

Re: t-and-f: Re: Svetlana Feofanova 16 feet!

With all the excitemt about these 16 feet (of very little meaning to track fans outside the USA) how about Samitova just about breaking the 9 minte barrier in the 3000 steppelchase race? Seems more meaningful to me and probably many others, if that limit is attained. UG ==

Re: t-and-f: Kingdom's come! 13.98 in 110s!

12.92- a former world record? == Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Greetings, all > > Chico Harlan of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that 41-year-old Roger > Kingdom clocked 13.98 in his first full 110 hurdles race since 1999. > > His time (wind reading not mentioned in sto

Re: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .)

As it happens this was not quite the case. While Nebiolo would go ahead and instituted many necessary changes, Paulen was cognizant and even supportive towards the move to fromally cahnge the status in regard to payments into trust funds for athletes. There is documentation from the 1978 IAAF Con

Re: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .)

A word on Kirk Bryde's message; He "can clearly recall without any doubt" That Adrian Paulen (possibly an East german according to him) was very pro-German, while in fact the Dutch mines engineer Adrian Paulen all but was executed by Germans during World war II. Shows that you can compete in Olym

RE: t-and-f: Re: 1972 Vaulting Pole Snafu (formerly Eddie Hart . .)

Hi All. Some comments related to several impressions voiced here by the "youngsters at the time". 1) Adrian Paulen was not the head of IAAF at that time. Lord Burgley (the 1924 400m hurdles Olympic Champion) was. Adrian Paulen served as IAAF president later, between 1976 and 1981 and in fact did

Re: t-and-f: Men's Marathon Lists 2002; 'Haile'

I can confirm that it is the same chap. The addition of "Abraham" is because he converted to Judaism and given the name, UG == Quoting "Post, Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Two question re dates for 2002 Men's Marathons: > > 1) In your email 13Jan you said San Luis Potosi on 03 Mar; lat

Re: t-and-f: Enigmatic Perec surfaces

Much ado about nothing. Neither Perec nor Freeman will make the 400m Olympic finals (if they run at all). UG Quoting EAMONN CONDON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The Electronic Telegraph > Thursday 6 February 2003 > Tom Knight > > > > > One of the great rivalries in athletics could be

Re: t-and-f: Guevara

definitely counts, but the quality of results should also play a role. Guevara did not exactly reign supreme as did Feofanova. UG == Quoting Ben Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Guevara had 0 losses. Feofanova had 2. Going undefeated counts for > something. > > On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Steve

Re: t-and-f: T&FN names AOYs

Reasonable results, but Feofanova getting fewer votes (by far!) than Guevara, who may have beaten everybody but running not terribly impressive 400s, whereas feofanova was much better qualitatively, shows that a certain American bias still exists when the panel votes. Otherwise as I say, it mak

Re: t-and-f: Meanwhile back at the hall of fame....

Flo Jo 100m in 10.49?? With an approximately 4 m/sec following wind as everybody knows? you must be kidding. What about the long jump duel (Lewis-Powell) at the 1991 World champs in Tokyo?! Note that Lusis vs. Wolferman's JT duel in Munich 1972 is the only event where non-US atheltes were invol

Re: t-and-f: Washington and the sniper

An advance from an Israeli (who runs 4 times a week and travels a lot for work): If you disrupt your normal life because of one sniper, you'll soon find yourself and your family prisoners of every occasional murderous nut that happens to be operating (and 4 years in the US have taught me that it

Re: t-and-f: NYC coverage

Anyone of you able to get on EuroSport, I think they are planning to broadcast the entire race live. As for Chicago, what's the issue? it had only a women's WR (arguably the best of them all) in a non-descript event, An Asian record for men, who cares about them far away Asians, and history's 4

Re: t-and-f: Radcliffe 2:17:18!

Clearly and obviously Radcliffe. UG Quoting Lee Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I can't imagine any scenario in which Radcliffe doesn't win AOY now. > -- > Lee Nichols > Assistant News Editor > The Austin Chronicle > 512/454-5766 ext. 138 > fax 512/458-6910 > http://www.austinchronicle

Re: t-and-f: Lassiter for a Darwin Award

True patriotism. With 3 dummies like Lassiter, maybe the US don't need to bother building a team next time. UG == Quoting ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > as in, he just killed his chances ever to be on a U.S. team again. At > least > one that involves team scoring. > > What kind of a pi

Re: t-and-f: Bob Hayes

"I have had more recognition around the world than I have in my back yard". How true... UG

Re: t-and-f: Greeks out of World Cup (European Athletic News (11. 9. 2002))

Another one of these mysterious disappearances... UG === Quoting Wilmar Kortleever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The European Athletics Association (EAA) announced today that the Greek > trio of Konstantinos Kenteris, Ekaterini Thanou and Mirela Manjani will > not compete for the European team

Re: t-and-f: Rieti

Like this "bomber" by Bungey, or a 1:43.15 by Mehdi Baala. UG == Quoting Randall Northam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Surely something's got to be done about Reiti. Look at those middle > distance > marks compared with the sprints. Yet, as I understand it, Rieti, being > in > the hills east o

Re: t-and-f: Question on Guevera and Golden League

She definitely is. UG = Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Y ask: > > Just need to know something for a little track story I'm preparing: > > Is Ana Guevara the first Mexican to share in a Golden League jackpot? > I > suspect so. > > Thanks for your help and indulgence. > > Ken Stone

Re: t-and-f: lists from the 40s and 50s...

A Book with 50 top marks for 1941- 1950 have been published by ATFS. Roberto Quercetani is the main compiler. It is one of the series "track and Field performances over the years". Surely Scott Davis knows where you can get them. Also Peter Matthews. For 1951 and on there are the individual ye

Re: t-and-f: Boulami tests positive

So un-unexpected... The guy runs 8:10 and then, blip: 8:02.9 and soon after, 7:55.28 (last year's Van Damme. What did we expect? UG = Quoting John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Moroccan Federation announcement: World steeplechase record holder > tests > positive > > > http://sports

Re: t-and-f: Interesting Tidbit from the IOC

Cross Country was in, during three editions, 1912, 1920 and 1924 . Notoriously, Nurmi's win in Paris in 32:54.8 minutes, with Ritola far back in 34:19 and no one else breaking 35 minutes, for an approximate 10 Km, in suffocating heat in Paris, 1924, was his most devastating victory and added tw

RE: t-and-f: Israeli results

We in Israel have always been prepared to compete in the area. The other countries, including not only hostile Syria and Iraq but also Jordan and Egypt who signed a peace treaty with us, have always refused. Arab countries have traditionally urged Asian sports Federeations to boycott Israel. I

Re: t-and-f: Eastern block athletes in the 1980s all used sterodis and everyone else was Judy Garland?

I stand corrected... What I had tried to bring up is the image Judy Garland played in the Wizard od of OZ. Since you guys are greater expert than I on American movie history and star(let)s, I am writing this with reservation. UG Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > > uri goldburg pos

t-and-f: Eastern block athletes in the 1980s all used sterodis and everyone else was Judy Garland?

What in the world makes you contend that whatever scrutiny should be exercized for Marita Koch (with a huge tally of excellent times over many years) should not be applied when looking at valerie Brisco-Hooks, who sparkled for one season but little before and none whatsoever after? UG

Re: t-and-f: Devers AOY Candidate?

Radcliffe's London marathon phenomnal debut is not just another road race. Radcliffe has already done all it takes to be voted athelte of 2002. UG === Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > see Zurich results > > (not that I'm a Radcliffe supporter, mind you- > but this leaves the women'

Re: t-and-f: U.S versus Great Britain & Russia

It is Zykina, not Zygina in the 400 and Jearl Miles Clark hardly seems in shape to compete with her, given the late time in the season + other limitations. The question is to what extent the US and Russia will field genuine national teams. Past experience is not encouraging. UG =

Re: t-and-f: Rumours on Greece and doping

They certainly do. So did Fatima Whitbread, whom I remember coming one early morning and - bang- throwing a WR 77.44m in the qualifications of the WC. And later Petra Falke and her 80 meters flat. No one approaches these distances now, either on the field or in their wild dreams - and the dif

Re: t-and-f: Women's decathlon?

Silly idea (replacing heptahlon by decathlon). It is about as wise as equating women's throw implement weights to those of men's. UG == Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > In a message dated Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:27:59 +1200, P N Heidenstrom > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > >The event is

t-and-f: Devers' time.

13.40? How about 12.40? == Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Y ask: > > Bloomberg News Service (not generally regarded as a prime source of > track news) reports out of Canberra: > > Said Aouita, who won the 5,000 meters gold at > the 1984 Olympics, will coach Australia's middle an

Re: t-and-f: Kipketer Runs 8:05 ...Steeple!

It is not that Kipketer, it is Wilson Boit Kipketer (a Kenyan representing Kenya), a seasoned steeplechaser now. Much ado about little. UG ===Quoting John Sun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I was checking the Qatar Grand Prix results and did a > double take when I saw the results for the 30

Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Whitfield to donate Olympic gold medal to Hall of Fame

Wrong info, at least on one account: That 3:10.4 by the 1948 US Olympic team over 4 by 400m was not a World record. The WR had been held by the 1932 US team anchored by Carr but missing Ben Eastman, who had run 3:08.2 minutes. A US 4-some anchored by Whitfiled finally broke this WR after 20 ye

t-and-f: RE: "self pontificating idiot" and similar compliments

Perhaps I should not intervene, living outside the US. I do think, though, that the language used is surprisingly aggressive and that a small number of listers hasten to label officials in the strongest terms without finding out all the facts or making themselves fully acquainted with the diffe

Re: t-and-f: Bob Hayes in critical condition

Any news about how Bob Hayes is doing now?! UG = uoting "Post, Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >From the AP: > > "Olympian and former NFL star Bob Hayes, who fought back from a > life-threatening illness earlier this year, has been hospitalized with > flulike symptoms. > The 58-yea

t-and-f: Pakistaniin the Hammer/Javelin

Pakistan? Iqbal, of course, in the 1950s. Uri = Quoting Roger Ruth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The charts that follow summarize the number of athletes each country > placed > in the world top-100 rankings for 2001 (plus ties) and the > highest-ranked > of these for each event. Since one

Re: t-and-f: Freeman feels the strain

These things can happen after a year of too much talk and too little training... UG === Quoting EAMONN CONDON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The Electronic Telegraph > Monday 28 January 2002 > Tom Knight > > > > CATHY FREEMAN has admitted to feeling the strain as she tries to regain > full >

Re: t-and-f: Rating track movies

ED, I fully agree with you about Olympia (you are refreeing to Lennie Riefenstal's movie, aren't you?) even though the very fact of being Jewish sends a chill through my spine thinking when, where and by whom it was produced. Uri Goldbourt Quoting Ed Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: t-and-f: London wins race for Gebrselassie

Henry Rono has an impressive tally of records but no titles. Ron Clarke has impressed more in terms of WRS and barrier breaking (10,000 WR down from 28:15.6 to 27:39.4 in one installment, also first sub 13:20 5000m and first sub 13 minute 3 miles, which given the prominence of non-metric distan

Re: t-and-f: London wins race for Gebrselassie

"Reading your lips" + three exclamation marks hardly constitute a valuable argument to rank Gebrselassie over Zatopek, Nurmi or Viren. UG -Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > In a message dated 11/1/01 10:58:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Be

Re: t-and-f: London wins race for Gebrselassie

Be serious: There is FAR FROM universal agreement that Gebresilassi is the gretaest long distance runner of all time. "Greatest distance runners" could - among other things - be expected to win a double 5000-1m Olympic title. I remember a man who won this twice and another one who won this

Re: t-and-f: Jesse Owens #1 and #2

Not only did Carl lewis match Owens' olympic feat in 1984 (against stronger adversaries), HE ALSO PICKED UP FOUR CONSECUTIVE LONG JUMP OLYMPIC TITLES AFGAINST FORMIDABLE OPPOSITION AND THREE SUCCESSIVE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS TITLES OVER 100M (1983, 1987 AND 1991). And he remains the only man ever

Re: t-and-f: Bill Green

probably two athletes and a birthday date error on one of them (copied from the other...).. UG - Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I was looking over the great lists at: > > http://w1.196.telia.com/~u19603668/athletics_all-time_best.htm > > the other day when I r

RE: t-and-f: Women's AOY

Michael and everyone, I would be wary about using the "percentage yardstick" to compare how good women's records are. The mecahnisms that detrmine male superiority in terms of performances are so much different in the Pole vault than the are in running and waliking! (and they may well be somewh

Re: t-and-f: Let the USA bashing begin!

These may have been the recordings made at the very END of these races- even though when the first men finishers entered the stadium it was - in the shade- clearly above 19. I know how wew were dressed. We would have neded more than T- shirts in the media stands at 19 deg. C. Regards, UG -

t-and-f: Gebresilassi's defeat

I was a happy observer watching Charles Kamathi win. Gebressilasi always capitalized sitting on people's back (including the 1993 champs when he bumped a shoe off Tanui's foot). He was hailed a second Zatopke (or "greater than Zatopek) unjustifiably- Zatopek ran so many more races and won sme

Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Xerox Athletes of the Day

I believe that Pettigrew should have been awarded a citation for the mis- performance of the day... UG -- Quoting Erik van Leeuwen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Must be a milestone in US t&f history to award a 4th place on the men's > 400. > (looking at his reaction time, I

Re: t-and-f: reaction times

>From Edmonton: I watced the race from the press seats. Mackoviak was caught napping and Pettigrew was also day dreaming. His first 150 meteres were simply disastrous. You cannot close 8 yards on the world's fastes in a World champs finals. UG Quoting "Mich

Re: t-and-f: Greene's supremacy challenged

Dear everyone. 9.84 with a following wind of 2.0 is no better than 9.92 at the 1997 US champs in Indianapolis - Tim Montgomery time with a following wind of merely +0.2 m/sec. Most likely, Maurice Greene, had he consented to run in Bisslet for "only" 75,000 dollars, would have won by a meter

Re: t-and-f: "Automatic" timing in 1 9 5 2

Not in 1952! The hand timing in 1952 was horrible! Look up Bob Sparks' deciphering of ET . the quartet of runners given 10.4 and the two (Sukhraev, treloar) given 10.5 in the 100m final actually ran over 10.70! UG Quoting "P. N. Heidenstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:36

Re: t-and-f: Fiasconaro

Michel, that's nice, almost sentimental. And reminds me that in essence he may ahve been more of a rugby player than a track competitor. I can read Italian (and seven other languages. So can - I would guess - our Swedish, Danish, Dutch and Norwegeian colleagues). Our Americans friends who cons

Re: t-and-f: Re:Fiasconaro

He did! Broke the WR but did not last vetry long. UG _ Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > If memory serves me correct - Fiasconaro ran for Italy after South > Africa was banned from International competition. > > Steve S >

Re: t-and-f: Fiasconaro - also a WR holder

... and incidentally 1:43.7 was a new world record... Uri Goldbourt uoting "Wayne T. Armbrust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > "P.F.Talbot" wrote: > > > Wayne, > > > > I've never heard of this guy. Do you know what times he ran or where > I > > could find out? As an ex-800m guy I'm always curio

Re: t-and-f: IAAF: Four candidates for IAAF presidency

One would expect Professor Arne Liungquist to become one of the main contenders for IAFF president? UG - Quoting Wilmar Kortleever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello, > the reactions vary from 'surprising Diack actually got competition', > to > 'Francis is the main contender'

t-and-f: Jason Meisler

A peculiarity about Meisler himself: He must be the only US athlete whose personal best was set in Iarael (on July 1981, at 2.19 meters (6 feet 2.25 inches?) winning the Maccabia Games in an exciting match with flopper Gideon Harmat- PR and NR 2.17m in the same meet - and breaking the Israeli