t-and-f: Drugs and the sprints

I am curious as to whether or not any studies have been done that would give some indication as to the advantages gained by sprinters who use "drugs" (steroids, EPO, whatever) .. I have been a ware over the years of many athletes (track and otherwise) that have used drugs and for most there was no

t-and-f: Drugs and the sprints

>>And a side note on a distantly related subject--namely, Mo on Millionaire: Why is everyone assuming Mo Greene is such an idiot? - - Jay Ulfelder>> Thats exactly what I was thinking Jay! I wonder what the REAL reason is. DMC Integrity is the cornerstone of trust

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scussion within track will relate to drugs, until the powers-that-be take steps to stop it. "We" can do nothing to stop that. The specter of drug use haunts cycling, triathlon and rowing , and will continue to. -Original Message- From: Conway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tue

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- Original Message - > Whoa ... "not a great improvement"? Witness the WR of Ben Johnson ... a > time .20 ahead of almost everyone else in history who ran the 100m at > sea-level with fair wind. You guys know that sub-10.00 at sea level used to > be rare. How can you characterize a .2

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You omitted one fact. Christie tested positive for ephedrine at Seoul, but they let him keep his medal anyway. And...Ben was NOT busted for 'roids at Seoul.  He was convicted because one man, the late Dr. Manfred Donike, subjectively felt that Ben had an aberrant "endocrine profile" - a crit

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At 10:00 PM 10/17/00 +0200, you wrote: > >- Original Message - > >> Whoa ... "not a great improvement"? Witness the WR of Ben Johnson ... a >> time .20 ahead of almost everyone else in history who ran the 100m at >> sea-level with fair wind. You guys know that sub-10.00 at sea level used

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Brian wrote: > Whoa ... "not a great improvement"? Witness the WR of Ben Johnson ... a > time .20 ahead of almost everyone else in history who ran the 100m at > sea-level with fair wind. You guys know that sub-10.00 at sea level used to > be rare. How can you characterize a .20 advantage as "n

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Elliot wrote: > Hold on a sec. here. > Ben Johnson was the only top athlete on dope in 1988? > Ben was running against a clean crowd ? Let's see where this goes ... > > > And, yes, I attribute Ben Johnson's ability to run that fast to DRUGS. > > Without them, he is a 10.15 guy at the very best. >

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I swore off responding to these types of subjects about a year ago, but this one requires such a simple answer I can't resist. Sorry Jim, I know I'm letting you down. Drugs help a whole lot, more than the proposed .05 secs. They work really well and that is why professional athletes risk much m

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A quick comment on this interesting conversation that, I hope, supports what Conway's arguing/asking: One can't simply compare Ben Johnson's pre-bust and post-bust times and chalk up the entire difference to drugs. The guy was away from competition for some time, and I would think his mental ga

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--- Jay Ulfelder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One can't simply compare Ben Johnson's > pre-bust and post-bust times and chalk up the entire difference to > drugs. The guy was away from competition for some time, and I would > think his mental game (so important for the 100m) was pretty much > crus

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Tony wrote: You omitted one fact.Christie tested positive for ephedrine at Seoul, but they let him keep his medal anyway.And...Ben was NOT busted for 'roids at Seoul.  He was convicted because one man, the late Dr. Manfred Donike, subjectively felt that Ben had an aberrant "endocrine pro

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Barto wrote: > I swore off responding to these types of subjects > about a year ago, but this one requires such a simple > answer I can't resist. Sorry Jim, I know I'm letting > you down. > > Drugs help a whole lot, more than the proposed .05 > secs. They work really well and that is why > prof

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Dan wrote: > --- Jay Ulfelder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One can't simply compare Ben Johnson's > > pre-bust and post-bust times and chalk up the entire difference to > > drugs. The guy was away from competition for some time, and I would > > think his mental game (so important for the 100m)

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. RMc At 12:20 PM 10/18/2000 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. >Date: 18 Oct 2000 03:09:02 -0700 >From: Jay Ulfelder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: t-and-f: Drugs and the sprints > >A quick comment on this interesting conversation that, I hope, supports >what Conway's a

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The extrapolation here is what McVicar pointed out in the article in "Punch", excerpts of which I posted to the List. That Mo Greene has exactly the same "Frankenstein" physique and build that Ben has (as Jesse Owens called it). Except that Mo has those huge stretch marks in his pectoral muscles

Re: t-and-f: Drugs and the sprints - how Christie skated (again)

1,   In 1988 at the Seoul Olympics, Christie claimed that the positive for ephedrine was because he had drunk ginseng tea (a local herbal infusion).  Christie refused to give to the drug testers any residual ginseng so that he might be vindicated.  When Prof Arnold Beckett tested a version of K