Re: [Tagging] How to start?

2010-09-16 Thread Matthias Meißer
Hi Andrew, nice job you are working on :) We have already start_date=*,end_date=* I guess that fits your needs, right? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:start_date Are there any other aspects you are looking tags for? regards Matthias ___ Taggin

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread Matthias Meißer
Am 17.09.2010 02:21, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: I'd say that the mailing list is somehow more important, but the forum people might think the same. For me that's not a problem, and who wants can read the ml online in forum style;-) Therefore I suggest the wiki as 'neutral' plattform that allows

[Tagging] How to start?

2010-09-16 Thread Andrew Errington
Hello, This is my first post to 'tagging', so please do tell me if it's inappropriate and would be better directed elsewhere. On this page is a discussion about recording the information written on bridges in Korea. Most bridges have plaques as described. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kore

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

2010-09-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 17.09.2010 02:55, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2010/9/16 André Riedel: Selling cars and sometimes letting of cars: shop=car rental=yes selling cars and renting motorbikes. shop=car rental=yes? Better use the syntax of the proposal: selling cars and letting of cars: shop=car rental=car

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

2010-09-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/16 André Riedel : > Selling cars and sometimes letting of cars: > shop=car > rental=yes selling cars and renting motorbikes. shop=car rental=yes? Better use the syntax of the proposal: selling cars and letting of cars: shop=car rental=car > selling only few ski equipments and rental

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 September 2010 10:21, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/9/16 John Smith : >> Regardless of descriptions, do you agree that there is disputes over >> the key/value pairs? > > yes, and this would be the same with numbers, shifted to the The question wasn't about numbers, one of the current pr

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/16 John Smith : > Regardless of descriptions, do you agree that there is disputes over > the key/value pairs? yes, and this would be the same with numbers, shifted to the descriptions, and there would be the same disputes for the descriptions, especially if they are changing dynamically. >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

2010-09-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 16.09.2010 23:11, schrieb André Riedel: 2010/9/16 Ulf Lamping: Well, Sixt will very rarely sell you a car, but a ski rental station very often will also sell you ski if you like. I'm not saying that the rental tag is generally a bad idea (I've recently added this to JOSM presets to indicate

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

2010-09-16 Thread André Riedel
2010/9/16 Ulf Lamping : > Well, Sixt will very rarely sell you a car, but a ski rental station very > often will also sell you ski if you like. > > I'm not saying that the rental tag is generally a bad idea (I've recently > added this to JOSM presets to indicate rental services for shop=motorcycle)

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:40:16 +0200 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> this might be a cultural difference, but IMHO craft is the mere > >> opposite of industrial > > > > It's somewhere between hobby and industrial... > > It is not industrial, because it operates at a much smaller scale and > th

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

2010-09-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 16.09.2010 21:21, schrieb André Riedel: 2010/9/16 Ulf Lamping: Am 16.09.2010 15:19, schrieb Jonas Stein: Are there tags missing? Any other issues? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/rental Yes, it's simply a bad idea. E.g. a car rental station is very different from a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

2010-09-16 Thread André Riedel
2010/9/16 Ulf Lamping : > Am 16.09.2010 15:19, schrieb Jonas Stein: >> >> Are there tags missing? >> Any other issues? >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/rental > > Yes, it's simply a bad idea. > > E.g. a car rental station is very different from a ski rental station. It > l

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

2010-09-16 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 16.09.2010 15:19, schrieb Jonas Stein: Are there tags missing? Any other issues? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/rental Yes, it's simply a bad idea. E.g. a car rental station is very different from a ski rental station. It looks quite different, it's used for a very d

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 September 2010 04:24, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > IMHO most of the times the disputes are not how a tag should be > called, but what is it's actual meaning and what is the appropriate > structure for the world to be expressed in tags. Regardless of descriptions, do you agree that there is

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/16 John Smith : > 2010/9/17 Matthias Meißer : >> If we 'allow' it to one user, we have to allow it everybody. How should this >> anarchy work fine? How should it guide newbies to point out what are the >> important and approved tags (for now)? > > At present I can see 3 potential ways: > > 1

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread John Smith
2010/9/17 Matthias Meißer : > If we 'allow' it to one user, we have to allow it everybody. How should this > anarchy work fine? How should it guide newbies to point out what are the > important and approved tags (for now)? At present I can see 3 potential ways: 1) simply go by how much a tag is a

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread Matthias Meißer
Am 16.09.2010 19:19, schrieb John Smith: The problem here is one of telling others what tags you are using, how else will they become well established? Yes an important aspect but dont we want to promote tags with a good lifecycle that avoids ohers to change in near future just cause it wasn'

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/16 John Smith : > On 17 September 2010 00:47, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> because it doesn't work well. It is a simplistic approximation to >> indicate that a crossing is controlled by traffic lights but when it > > You are also tagging a fact, at this location there is a stop sign.

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/16 John Smith : > You made this point exactly, you claim it should be charging station > based on the assumption these locations only sell electricity, but do > you know that for a fact? yes, I know that for a fact as of now and for the locations I know of. This might change in the future

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 September 2010 00:47, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > because it doesn't work well. It is a simplistic approximation to > indicate that a crossing is controlled by traffic lights but when it You are also tagging a fact, at this location there is a stop sign. __

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 September 2010 01:16, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > with electricity not being "fuel" and actually IMHO not being helpful > to be used in conjunction with petrol stations (amenity=fuel). Why > don't we use charging station or something else for these? They have > almost nothing in common with

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 September 2010 00:40, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> It's somewhere between hobby and industrial... > > It is not industrial, because it operates at a much smaller scale and > there is less division of labour. > > it's not hobby, because they are all professionals, what is the > opposite of h

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

2010-09-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/16 Jonas Stein : > You can rent a lot of things. Today (2010-08-16) there is a different > approach for each thing you can rent. > >    * car >    * bicycle >    * boat > > All have common keys like operator and so on. They only differ in the item > you can rent. > > This proposal will be

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
another example for sneaking in tags is IMHO http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fuel:electricity with electricity not being "fuel" and actually IMHO not being helpful to be used in conjunction with petrol stations (amenity=fuel). Why don't we use charging station or something else for these? T

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/16 Dave F. : >  On 15/09/2010 21:53, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> of course stop is also bad. traffic signals is bad as well. > > Err... Why? because it doesn't work well. It is a simplistic approximation to indicate that a crossing is controlled by traffic lights but when it comes to

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/15 John Smith : > On 16 September 2010 06:52, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> this might be a cultural difference, but IMHO craft is the mere >> opposite of industrial > > It's somewhere between hobby and industrial... It is not industrial, because it operates at a much smaller scale and

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread Dave F.
On 15/09/2010 21:53, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: of course stop is also bad. traffic signals is bad as well. Err... Why? Cheers Dave F. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - rental

2010-09-16 Thread Jonas Stein
You can rent a lot of things. Today (2010-08-16) there is a different approach for each thing you can rent. * car * bicycle * boat All have common keys like operator and so on. They only differ in the item you can rent. This proposal will be a fusion of all rentals to one. *

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-16 Thread James Livingston
On 16/09/2010, at 6:57 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > It does seem, however, that it would seem to make more sense to either have > separate nodes for each of the possible directions, or have some other way of > signifying which direction or directions the stop sign applies to. There's five or te