Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Martijn van Exel
On 4/10/2012 4:38 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: Martijn van Exel wrote: A sidewalk is not a lane and it should not be tagged as such. Doing so would be utterly confusing. Does the lanes proposal (which I think is horribly overwrought to begin with) not exclude sidewalks? Not explicitly. And while it

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Tobias Knerr
Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 4/10/2012 6:38 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: >> Not explicitly. And while it is true that the examples don't include >> sidewalks, they do include cycleways, where we have basically the same >> debate whether or not they should be separate ways. > > Are you talking about bik

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2012 6:38 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: Not explicitly. And while it is true that the examples don't include sidewalks, they do include cycleways, where we have basically the same debate whether or not they should be separate ways. Are you talking about bike lanes or sidepaths? The latter is

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Tobias Knerr
Martijn van Exel wrote: > A sidewalk is not a lane and it should not be tagged as such. Doing so > would be utterly confusing. Does the lanes proposal (which I think is > horribly overwrought to begin with) not exclude sidewalks? Not explicitly. And while it is true that the examples don't include

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Martijn van Exel
On 4/10/2012 2:15 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: Martijn van Exel wrote: Consider this situation: a road on an incline, the sidewalk follows the road but has steps in some places. You would want to capture the steps for accessibility reasons, and you can't by just adding a sidewalk tag to the main way

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Tobias Knerr
Martijn van Exel wrote: > Consider this situation: a road on an > incline, the sidewalk follows the road but has steps in some places. You > would want to capture the steps for accessibility reasons, and you can't > by just adding a sidewalk tag to the main way feature. Except if you use one of th

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Komяpa
> Well. We have a similar situation with "highway=cycleway" or > "cycleway=track". Not everybody is ready to trace multiple parallel > ways just for micromapping. If someone isn't ready - fine, just wait for active mapper to come. In Minsk, we've come to agreement that highway=* are just routing

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Martijn van Exel
On 4/10/2012 12:42 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Nobody said you have to draw sidewalks. I'm going a little off-topic here, but I just wanted to throw in my argument for mapping sidewalks separately, because I know there are a lot of opponents to this practice. Consider this situation: a road o

[Tagging] Extension of the "payment:*" keys

2012-04-10 Thread John Sturdy
I recently found myself inconvenienced by turning up for lunch at a pub that only took cash, when I had only card money on me (something that I gather a growing number of people make a habit of doing), and immediately thought that would be a good thing to be able to warn about on OSM. So now I've

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2012 2:26 PM, Pieren wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/10/2012 12:38 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The suggested tagging is IMHO "tagging for the renderer". For tagging sidewalks it would be sufficent to tag them with footway=sidewalk without the hi

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 4/10/2012 12:38 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> The suggested tagging is IMHO "tagging for the renderer". For tagging >> sidewalks it would be sufficent to tag them with footway=sidewalk >> without the highway-tag. In analogy to th

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi Martin. You are right in that highway=footway is obsolete from a pure data point of view, IF the application supports it. On the other hand, it might be very likely, that the corresponding street then gets a foot=no, as that's often the case, if you look at the street without the footway.

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2012 12:38 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The suggested tagging is IMHO "tagging for the renderer". For tagging sidewalks it would be sufficent to tag them with footway=sidewalk without the highway-tag. In analogy to this tagging we would optionally be mapping an ordinary street as dual c

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread sabas88
2012/4/10 Martin Koppenhoefer > I am coming back to a topic we had some time ago: sidewalks. > > According to this page > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:footway%3Dsidewalk > > sidewalks should be tagged with > highway=footway > footway=sidewalk > > While I agree that for complex situation

[Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I am coming back to a topic we had some time ago: sidewalks. According to this page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:footway%3Dsidewalk sidewalks should be tagged with highway=footway footway=sidewalk While I agree that for complex situations it is helpful to have dedicated geometry in OSM

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for some additional power line tags

2012-04-10 Thread Guillaume Allegre
Le lun. 09 avril 2012 à 22:23 +0200, Ole Nielsen a ecrit : > On 09/04/2012 21:11, Guillaume Allegre wrote: > >Please add a tag to specify that a specific tower is the point where the line > >comes from underground to aerial. I previously proposed "raiser=yes", but it > >didn't > >seem to match exa