Re: [Tagging] Open of discussion on "operational_status" (part of life cycle with disused/abandoned/demolished)

2013-07-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > This leads to a situation where a mapper is expected to, as he or she walks > the streets, update every object in the database with "yep, this is still > there, I walked past it right now". Because just as a toilet could fall into > disrepai

Re: [Tagging] Open of discussion on "operational_status" (part of life cycle with disused/abandoned/demolished)

2013-07-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 07/02/2013 10:07 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: I don't think the situation you describe arises at all. There is never any onus on any mapper to add extra redundant details - and it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. [...] Yes, that's effectively what I was trying to say, just avoiding words

Re: [Tagging] Open of discussion on "operational_status" (part of life cycle with disused/abandoned/demolished)

2013-07-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > A telephone that is already tagged as functional would not normally be > re-tagged as functional just to say "yes, it still is". This means that the > "operational_status:date" tag is superfluous, since it will always be the > date of the chan

Re: [Tagging] Open of discussion on "operational_status" (part of life cycle with disused/abandoned/demolished)

2013-07-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/7/2 Bryce Nesbitt > So how *should* we annotate an object, which we believe to be > a permanent part of the landscape, > but which needs some form of descriptive note? > I'd say this depends on the object. > Example: a restroom with a sign reading "Closed until July 2014 for repairs",

Re: [Tagging] Open of discussion on "operational_status" (part of life cycle with disused/abandoned/demolished)

2013-07-02 Thread Jo
On talk-fr somebody was wondering how to tag a building where a fire had been. So the building is still there, but it's not usable anymore until some major reconstruction takes place. Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.ope

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - image=http://example.com/image_license_page

2013-07-02 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
After modifications based on comments, and discussion with stakeholders, this proposal is now open again for vote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Image This tag has over 12,000 uses, and I feel it is time to define the expectations for the tag clearly. The big change is a def

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - image=http://example.com/image_license_page

2013-07-02 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 02.07.2013 17:56, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Image > This tag has over 12,000 uses, and I feel it is time to define the > expectations for the tag clearly. Unfortunately, some crucial expectations that I have for linked images are still missing:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - image=http://example.com/image_license_page

2013-07-02 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Tobias Knerr wrote: > * I feel that it should be stated that *only* images under a free > license should be linked, i.e. images that offer the same freedoms as > OpenStreetMap data. > The license of both images and the OSM database may evolve or change from time t

Re: [Tagging] Open of discussion on "operational_status" (part of life cycle with disused/abandoned/demolished)

2013-07-02 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:07 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Frederik Ramm > wrote: > > This leads to a situation where a mapper is expected to, as he or she > walks > > the streets, update every object in the database with "yep, this is still > > there, I walked past

Re: [Tagging] Observations on use of the diet: tag

2013-07-02 Thread fly
Am 01.07.2013 18:29, schrieb Serge Wroclawski: > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:32 AM, fly wrote: > >> * I did add diet:gluten_free= to all objects with gluten_free=. >> * I did add diet:lacto_free=* and diet:lactose_free=* >> * I did add links to diet from both pages and moved both under the >> propo

Re: [Tagging] Observations on use of the diet: tag

2013-07-02 Thread fly
Am 01.07.2013 19:00, schrieb Craig Wallace: > On 2013-06-28 14:36, fly wrote: >> On 26.06.2013 02:29, Murry McEntire wrote: >> >>> If tags are added to diet=*, I believe lactose_free is in common use >>> whereas lacto_free is not so much. Also consider that a product made >>> with lactose removed d

Re: [Tagging] gross weight - conclusions & changes

2013-07-02 Thread martinq
there is one additional observation from my side: For highest level of confusion, "gross weight" is not used as (short) synonym for *permissible* maximum mass everywhere. In contrary! In US they distinguish between: GVW = gross vehicle weight, meaning the *ACTUAL* weight GVWR = gross vehicle w

Re: [Tagging] Open of discussion on "operational_status" (part of life cycle with disused/abandoned/demolished)

2013-07-02 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:14 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > A telephone that is already tagged as functional would not normally be > re-tagged as functional just to say "yes, it still is". This means that the > "operational_status:date" tag is superfluous, since it will always be the > date of the cha

Re: [Tagging] gross weight - conclusions & changes

2013-07-02 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Hi martinq, Am Dienstag, 2. Juli 2013, 20:01:59 schrieb martinq: > For highest level of confusion, "gross weight" is not used as (short) > synonym for *permissible* maximum mass everywhere. > > In contrary! In US they distinguish between: > GVW = gross vehicle weight, meaning the *ACTUAL* weight

Re: [Tagging] Observations on use of the diet: tag

2013-07-02 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:59 PM, fly wrote: > Please, tell me the difference between gluten_free=* and > diet:gluten_free=* and document them in the wiki. The difference is that one is the that was in higher usage than the other. >> * The wiki reflected *actual usage* of the gluten_free tag, of

Re: [Tagging] gross weight - conclusions & changes

2013-07-02 Thread martinq
Then what about maxactualweight as its counterpart? yes, good idea. Better than maxladenweight, which can be misunderstood as the weight of the load. martinq ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listin

Re: [Tagging] Observations on use of the diet: tag

2013-07-02 Thread fly
Am 02.07.2013 21:00, schrieb Serge Wroclawski: > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:59 PM, fly wrote: > >> Please, tell me the difference between gluten_free=* and >> diet:gluten_free=* and document them in the wiki. > > The difference is that one is the that was in higher usage than the other. If this i

Re: [Tagging] Open of discussion on "operational_status" (part of life cycle with disused/abandoned/demolished)

2013-07-02 Thread John F. Eldredge
In my case, I would prefer a desert_oasis to a dessert_oasis. A desert, with one S, is an area that gets little rainfall. A dessert, with a double S, is a sweet food usually eaten at the end of a meal. On topic, items or services that are both scarce and essential to life should be checked pe

Re: [Tagging] Observations on use of the diet: tag

2013-07-02 Thread fly
Am 01.07.2013 17:32, schrieb fly: > * I did add links to diet from both pages and moved both under the > proposal namespace and marked both for deletion Well, gluten_free was just reverted and moved back under Tag:. Could some wiki-admin please fix this and move it back. I just did what Frederik

Re: [Tagging] RFC: toilets=yes, toilets:disposal, toilets:position and incoporating toilets:wheelchair

2013-07-02 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Discussion seems to have died down. Any last comments on toilets:disposal and toilets:position before I open it up for vote? On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > I've opened this up for comment: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets > __

Re: [Tagging] Open of discussion on "operational_status" (part of life cycle with disused/abandoned/demolished)

2013-07-02 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 5:07 AM, fly wrote: > Exactly, what you do describe won't work. Please use a prefix if > something is broken. Software which wants to display these kind of > broken objects can look for this prefix and all other simply ignore it. > > It would be really dangerous in a dry a

Re: [Tagging] Open of discussion on "operational_status" (part of life cycle with disused/abandoned/demolished)

2013-07-02 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I have no strong opinion on the general idea but one thing sticks out: > "operational_status=operating". > Obviously, this should be the default assumption. If there's a toilet > mapped then I assume that it is working. > I have added a not

Re: [Tagging] Observations on use of the diet: tag

2013-07-02 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:34 PM, fly wrote: > I have no problem in reverting my changes but please give me one reason > why you can not live with diet:gluten_free=*. I do not want to revert my > changeset now only to have a bot redo it in a week. I don't know how long you've been with the proje

[Tagging] Tagging of "local" produce

2013-07-02 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
When traveling, I enjoy stopping at farm stands, where freshly grown produce can be purchased. I tag them http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dfarm Some farm stands actually sell in-season produce direct off the adjacent farm. Others, which look the same from the road, sell imported good

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - reference_point

2013-07-02 Thread Felix Delattre
Dear community, please vote for this feature proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/reference_point This is needed to get proper route-planning working in all Central American countries. Thank you for all the feedback given and special thanks to Brycenesbitt [1] for revi