Re: [Tagging] Substation proposal approved - and a suggestion for a post-vote change

2013-10-16 Thread François Lacombe
Ok. So I will move to line=junction_box et line=marker (like pipeline=valve and pipeline=marker). Thank you. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/10/16 Ole Nielsen > On 16/10/2013 20:57, François Lacombe wrote: > >> I was wonde

Re: [Tagging] Substation proposal approved - and a suggestion for a post-vote change

2013-10-16 Thread Ole Nielsen
On 16/10/2013 20:57, François Lacombe wrote: I was wondering if using line=* for busbars and bay is the best thing to do regarding of what line=* is commonly used for : http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=line There are busbar and bay obviously but many other values dealing with public tr

Re: [Tagging] Substation proposal approved - and a suggestion for a post-vote change

2013-10-16 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, I was wondering if using line=* for busbars and bay is the best thing to do regarding of what line=* is commonly used for : http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=line There are busbar and bay obviously but many other values dealing with public transport. Thus, and I'm sorry to suggest t

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/16 Stefan Tiran > Depending on cultural > differences dogs could be considered as pet, food or object, but > definitely not as means of transportation. > put "dog riding" in your preferred search engine pic search and you'll get an awful lot of pictures, including stuff like a dog ridin

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Jo
People in Alaska might disagree with you... I have no idea whether dog sledges are banned on certain streets, of course. Jo 2013/10/16 Stefan Tiran > Hello, > > SomeoneElse wrote: > > Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> > >> I have no doubt that these situations occur, I was only pointing out > th

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Stefan Tiran wrote: > Depending on cultural > differences dogs could be considered as pet, food or object, but > definitely not as means of transportation. Depends your size and the size of the dog... Pieren, tagging footways with dog:dismount=yes, just in case.

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Stefan Tiran
Hello, SomeoneElse wrote: > Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> I have no doubt that these situations occur, I was only pointing out that >> "bicycle" is not the right key to state anything about "pushing a bike" as >> this has nothing to do with cycling. > > What about the equivalent situation fo

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread John F. Eldredge
SomeoneElse wrote: > Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > I have no doubt that these situations occur, I was only pointing out > > > that "bicycle" is not the right key to state anything about "pushing > a > > bike" as this has nothing to do with cycling. > > What about the equivalent situation f

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Jonathan
Sorry Dan, but bicycle=no means no cycling, pushing a bike is OK. We don't have any way of saying you cannot push a bike except by banning pedestrians as well. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 16/10/2013 10:29, Dan S wrote: Martin, your statement here is the same as the one which fly used

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/16 SomeoneElse > What about the equivalent situation for horses? > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/29335011 > > Although the horse may have different views on the matter, I'd say that > this is very definitely related to horseriding. :) > maybe this is different under UK legi

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread SomeoneElse
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I have no doubt that these situations occur, I was only pointing out that "bicycle" is not the right key to state anything about "pushing a bike" as this has nothing to do with cycling. What about the equivalent situation for horses? http://www.openstreetmap.org/b

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/16 Richard Mann > Nothing to fear except a long walk back to where you started when you try > to get out here: http://goo.gl/maps/9ncnD > > I guess you could throw the bike over the fence. Or wait until one of > those cars opens the gate. > > (and don't ask me what you do if you are in a

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/10/16 Dan S > and a few of us in the UK have pointed out that > there is indeed a difference between two situations, both of which > occur often: > * cycling AND pushing a cycle are forbidden (which, UK-based, I > consider bicycle=no) > * cycling BUT NOT pushing a cycle is forbidden (which,

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Dan S
2013/10/16 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > >> Am 16/ott/2013 um 09:23 schrieb Volker Schmidt : >> >> This feature of JOSM indicates to me that there is most likely widespread >> use of bicycle=no on crossings with the meaning of bicycle=dismount. > > there is really no difference in meaning between bicy

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2013-10-16 at 10:10:50 +0200, Georg Feddern wrote: > Am 16.10.2013 09:23, schrieb Volker Schmidt: > >(this thread is so long now, that I don't remember if I have > >inserted "my" problem with bicycle=no/dismount) > > > >Here in Italy we have heaps of pedestrian-only crossings, which > >are pa

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Richard Mann
> There are only some singular situations where "pushing bicycles as an object" is not allowed. > In this situations I am always puzzled, what I have to fear, if I would carry the bicycle like a suitcase or parcel/packet ... > none I suppose, but I never was in such situation yet. > > Georg Nothing

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 16.10.2013 09:23, schrieb Volker Schmidt: (this thread is so long now, that I don't remember if I have inserted "my" problem with bicycle=no/dismount) Here in Italy we have heaps of pedestrian-only crossings, which are part of dedicated combined foot-cycle paths or even pure cycle paths.

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 16/ott/2013 um 09:23 schrieb Volker Schmidt : > > This feature of JOSM indicates to me that there is most likely widespread use > of bicycle=no on crossings with the meaning of bicycle=dismount. there is really no difference in meaning between bicycle=no (cycling is legally forbidden) a

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Volker Schmidt
(this thread is so long now, that I don't remember if I have inserted "my" problem with bicycle=no/dismount) Here in Italy we have heaps of pedestrian-only crossings, which are part of dedicated combined foot-cycle paths or even pure cycle paths. The legal requirements is that cyclists dismount

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 16/ott/2013 um 00:49 schrieb "Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)" > : > > That rather depends on whether bicycle=no is interpreted to mean "no > cycling" or "no bicycles" -- which seems to be the key thing we need > to agree on first. IMHO as bicycle is a tag about "cyclists" according to the