Re: [Tagging] tag "covered" questions

2014-01-23 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
Johan C wrote: >As often, it depends on the definition :-) : A tunnel is an underground >passage for a road or similar. >http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tunnel People use the word tunnel (or their equivalent word) in different countries in various contexts; many times these do include all

Re: [Tagging] tag "covered" questions

2014-01-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 23/gen/2014 um 20:47 schrieb Johan C : > > As often, it depends on the definition :-) : A tunnel is an underground > passage for a road or similar. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tunnel This would clearly exclude building passages from being tunnels (like the other definitions

Re: [Tagging] emergency=yes

2014-01-23 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Ilpo Järvinen > wrote: > Besides that, here in Finland some of the service ways to > residential > buildings are designated as "rescue road" ("pelastustie" in > Finnish) and > we've marked

Re: [Tagging] Ski_jump_take_off

2014-01-23 Thread Tod Fitch
On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:35 PM, yvecai wrote: > I've checked the 8 piste:type=ski_jump mapped and a part one that is obscured > by cloud, the others are what they are: the piste on the on the ski jump > facility (I even forgot I mapped some myself from Bing). I was afraid this > tag would be alre

Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift

2014-01-23 Thread Tod Fitch
Why we have aerialway=platter or T-bars? Maybe the same reason we have building=house, building=residential, building=garage, building=industrial, etc. when we could just tag them all building=yes. They are different forms of a drag lift and the difference has significance to many people. If yo

Re: [Tagging] Ski_jump_take_off

2014-01-23 Thread yvecai
I've checked the 8 piste:type=ski_jump mapped and a part one that is obscured by cloud, the others are what they are: the piste on the on the ski jump facility (I even forgot I mapped some myself from Bing). I was afraid this tag would be already used by freestyle jumps. So I propose: * piste

Re: [Tagging] emergency=yes

2014-01-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: > Besides that, here in Finland some of the service ways to residential > buildings are designated as "rescue road" ("pelastustie" in Finnish) and > we've marked those with emergency=yes. There even used to be a specific > sign for these roads

Re: [Tagging] emergency=yes

2014-01-23 Thread Ilpo Järvinen
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Richard Welty wrote: > On 1/23/14 1:13 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > What might people using the tag 'emergency=yes' have meant it to mean? > > And is it a good use? > > > > It's the #2 tag in a space that has some gems (emergency=aed and > > emergency=phone for example). But I

Re: [Tagging] emergency=yes

2014-01-23 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
Used in conjunction with amenity=hospital emergency=yes also implies that a hospital has an Emergency Room. For tag-related questions Taginfo and OSM Wiki are good resources: * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aemergency%3Dyes * http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/emergency=yes#combinatio

Re: [Tagging] tag "covered" questions

2014-01-23 Thread Johan C
As often, it depends on the definition :-) : A tunnel is an underground passage for a road or similar. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tunnel Cherio, Johan 2014/1/23 Martin Koppenhoefer > > 2014/1/23 Johan C > >> It was a bit confusing to me, but tunnel=building_passage seems to be a

Re: [Tagging] tag "covered" questions

2014-01-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/23 Johan C > It was a bit confusing to me, but tunnel=building_passage seems to be a > better one than covered=yes for the situations when a highway is under a > building. maybe covered=building_passage is better from a semantical point of view, as a building_passage is not a tunnel...

Re: [Tagging] tag "covered" questions

2014-01-23 Thread Johan C
It was a bit confusing to me, but tunnel=building_passage seems to be a better one than covered=yes for the situations when a highway is under a building. I think ideally such a building should be split giving the building a different layer than the highway. Strange enough the wiki says'' *The laye

Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift

2014-01-23 Thread remont...@free.fr
In a ropetow, you take a wire, no in a platter. But it's the same type of ropeways. But in ropetows, you haven't buttons lifts, so it's different as others buttons lifts, which are with perchs. 2014/1/22 Janko Mihelić > and a rope_tow is a kind of drag_lift and j-bar is a kind of drag_lift. > >

Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift

2014-01-23 Thread remont...@free.fr
I know Martin, but many people can't understand as I can read… 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer > > 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr > >> And if drag_lift != platter != tbar, > > > > > no, the oppposite: > a platter is a kind of drag_lift and a t-bar is also a kind of drag lift. > > cheers, > Martin >

Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift

2014-01-23 Thread remont...@free.fr
NO !!! I persist, but t-bar are the same as platters. Call Poma, they will explain to you if you can't understand! There are platters, but with 2 persons. And I add, so tag 3S, 2S, FUNITELS, and others cable_cars ;) 2014/1/22 Tod Fitch > As an American, I hadn't heard of a platter lift either.

Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift

2014-01-23 Thread remont...@free.fr
So we return to the top of the problem, why we have aerialway=platter or t-bars ???!!! 2014/1/22 yvecai > Thing is, you can expect the average mapper to map an > aerialway=drag_lift, but you can't expect every average mapper to > distinguish between xyz-bar, platter, rope tow by reading the wi

Re: [Tagging] Ski_jump_take_off

2014-01-23 Thread remont...@free.fr
I agree with the idea of ski_jump is not a sport. +1 Tobias 2014/1/23 Richard Z. > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 01:33:41PM +0100, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > 2014/1/23 Richard Z. > > > > > * sport=* is used for something different. His intention was to > describe > > > the > > > details of a technic

Re: [Tagging] Ski_jump_take_off

2014-01-23 Thread remont...@free.fr
Is there more type of ski_jumps, because you purpose ski_jump! 2014/1/23 Janko Mihelić > 2014/1/23 Richard Z. > >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:31:51PM +0100, Janko Mihelić wrote: >> > > leisure=ski_jumping_hill (over the whole area) >> > ski_jump=take_off (or maybe better, ski_jump=in-run) >> >

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops

2014-01-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > Kicking Bird: *How many?* > John Dunbar: *Like the stars.* > Let's be really clear here. * The value to spammers is the URL link.* The spammers with no relevant physical location won't be interested except for the URL. Thus, I think th

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops

2014-01-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Note: the experience with keepRight's URL checker shows the potential for the URL tag as a quality control check. Local business go out of business all the time: the loss of the URL can alert the mapper to check for a change on the ground. ___ Tagging mai

Re: [Tagging] emergency=yes

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Welty
On 1/23/14 1:13 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > What might people using the tag 'emergency=yes' have meant it to mean? > And is it a good use? > > It's the #2 tag in a space that has some gems (emergency=aed and > emergency=phone for example). But I'm mystified by the usage. 20,000 > emergency=yes hig

[Tagging] emergency=yes

2014-01-23 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
What might people using the tag 'emergency=yes' have meant it to mean? And is it a good use? It's the #2 tag in a space that has some gems (emergency=aed and emergency=phone for example). But I'm mystified by the usage. 20,000 emergency=yes highways? _

Re: [Tagging] Ski_jump_take_off

2014-01-23 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014/1/23 Richard Z. > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:31:51PM +0100, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > leisure=ski_jumping_hill (over the whole area) > > ski_jump=take_off (or maybe better, ski_jump=in-run) > > ski_jump=landing > > ski_jump=construction_point > > ski_jump=judges_tower > > I like this proposal

Re: [Tagging] Ski_jump_take_off

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:31:51PM +0100, Janko Mihelić wrote: > We should try to unify tagging of various sport objects as much as > possible. Golf courses are tagged like this: > leisure=ski_jumping_hill (over the whole area) > ski_jump=take_off (or maybe better, ski_jump=in-run) > ski_jump=lan

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 52, Issue 65

2014-01-23 Thread pmsg
hat >> most >> sports that can profit from detailed mapping don't use it. We don?t mark >> hiking >> trails with sport=hiking, via ferrata's with sport=, waterways with >> sport=kayaking. >> > > In all those cases sport=* is used to describe what

Re: [Tagging] Ski_jump_take_off

2014-01-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/23 Tobias Knerr > If he wants to tag these things as leisure=ski_jumping_take_off and > omit the sport key entirely, that's fine with me. > I mostly agree with Tobias here, leisure seems a better key for the facility, but maybe the value should be different. "take_off" sounds like a spot

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops

2014-01-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/23 Frederik Ramm > Perhaps it could work to draw the boundary in the same way as the > company draws it themselves. If they have, on their web site, > instructions on how to find them - possibly a map, or a description - > then they can be placed on the map. If they don't, or try to hide t

Re: [Tagging] Ski_jump_take_off

2014-01-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 23.01.2014 12:53, Richard Z. wrote: > -1 > > * sport=* is used for something different. His intention was to describe the > details of a technical structure, not to say what kind of sport facility it > is. > Would you map ski-pistest with sport=*? How? The sport=* tag is non-physical. I

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops

2014-01-23 Thread Peter Wendorff
Sounds like a good starting point at least. regards Peter Am 23.01.2014 14:12, schrieb Frederik Ramm: > Hi, > > On 01/23/2014 09:26 AM, Peter Wendorff wrote: >> At a real, existing office with working people, it's possible that I >> want to go there to apply for a job, to talk to them about an i

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops

2014-01-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/23/2014 09:26 AM, Peter Wendorff wrote: > At a real, existing office with working people, it's possible that I > want to go there to apply for a job, to talk to them about an idea, in > special cases to buy something in personal, even if they usually don't > do that by personal contact t

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops

2014-01-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/23/2014 12:29 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I completely agree that adding online businesses at fake locations is spam, > but your relevance criteria seem too tight. I'd rather have too tight criteria (and leave out an occasional URL that might be useful) than be too open (and give

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops

2014-01-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/23/2014 12:30 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > Don't you think a visualization of the spatial distribution of online > businesses would be interesting to someone? Are there more on the east > or on the west coast of USA? Two answers A - get a list of online businesses with addresses, geocode

Re: [Tagging] tag "covered" questions

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 01:34:42PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > > > Related, in cases where covered is used without a layer tag should there be > > a common node in the place the way is crossing the building boundary in the > > same way there are supposed to be common nodes when stre

Re: [Tagging] Ski_jump_take_off

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 01:33:41PM +0100, Janko Mihelić wrote: > 2014/1/23 Richard Z. > > > * sport=* is used for something different. His intention was to describe > > the > > details of a technical structure, not to say what kind of sport facility > > it is. > > Would you map ski-pistest wi

Re: [Tagging] tag "covered" questions

2014-01-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014/1/23 Richard Z. > Hi, > > considering a fairly short way that is partially covered in several > places by one or more buidlings: > > (1) should the way be split in sections and covered applied striclty only > to the covered sections > yes, as always you should add tags only to the part

Re: [Tagging] Ski_jump_take_off

2014-01-23 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014/1/23 Richard Z. > * sport=* is used for something different. His intention was to describe > the > details of a technical structure, not to say what kind of sport facility > it is. > Would you map ski-pistest with sport=*? How? > * 97 is a high percentage ski jump sites that were mapped.

[Tagging] tag "covered" questions

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, considering a fairly short way that is partially covered in several places by one or more buidlings: (1) should the way be split in sections and covered applied striclty only to the covered sections (2) or is it good enough to mark a larger section with covered and interpret it to th

Re: [Tagging] Ski_jump_take_off

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:04:38PM +0100, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 22.01.2014 21:52, yvecai wrote: > > 97 sport=ski_jump_take_off, given the number off such facilities in the > > world can be considered as a massive use of the tag. Should we really > > change the key even if leisure, man_made or pi

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops

2014-01-23 Thread bulwersator
It would be interesting to someone, but it is not reason to misuse OSM. In the same way that I will not store results of parliament votes - it is also interesting to somebody, may be presented on map (where parliament is/was located) and is completely unfit to be part of OSM database. On W

Re: [Tagging] Bitcoin and Online shops

2014-01-23 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 22.01.2014 23:42, schrieb Frederik Ramm: > Hi, > > On 01/22/2014 06:27 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> IMHO this is a geographic reality. If you had to send a letter >> (physically) you would need exactly this kind of information. A >> letterbox is also very physical. > > We are not an addre