Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-08 Thread John Willis
There are a couple shops like "la mesa Lumber" and places dedicated to stone that are public shops. Often times they are the more "pro" shops a builder or DIY person goes to source a large quantity of wood, tile, or stone for a building project - but there is not a tool to be found (all that is

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-10-07 20:26 GMT+02:00 Matthijs Melissen : > On 7 October 2015 at 15:58, Daniel Koć wrote: > > builder > > Not sure what this is used for. > neither am I. Maybe it's for developers that have public-facing offices to present their future projects and

Re: [Tagging] new access value

2015-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-10-08 4:21 GMT+02:00 John Willis : > > The police have no power because the road is public and built, so people > are legally allowed to drive on it. that's also the reason why those "Anlieger frei" situations should be reduced to a minimum, we're all public and these roads

Re: [Tagging] new access value

2015-10-08 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Friedrich Volkmann wrote on 2015-10-08 08:09: Built-in car navigation is dumb by now. Most OSM tags are ignored, such as all of the tags documented on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions. No, OsmAnd supports conditional times for maxspeed, though currently time only.

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-08 Thread John Willis
Li really like the idea of cleaning up the shop values, especially removing really generic ones. But specific ones have their place For example, electronics is a good shop value, but what about a ham radio store? Generic hobby shops exist, what about model train shops? We need to create a

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-08 Thread Colin Smale
Great idea John. But we are going to have to deal with "mixed" shops, which fall into multiple categories at once. Our reluctance to find a proper solution for multi-valued attributes has already caused zillions of brain-hours to be expended on heated, protracted discussions with no sign of

Re: [Tagging] new access value

2015-10-08 Thread Richard
On Thu, Oct 08, 2015 at 05:33:12PM +1100, Warin wrote: > > I'd think here 'we' try to tag the ground truth. How it gets used should be > a small influence, but the primary concern should be making good tags. tagging the ground truth is good. The ground truth is "sign " at positition

Re: [Tagging] new access value

2015-10-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 08.10.2015 um 12:07 schrieb Colin Smale : > > Don't forget that even simple things like "what is a bicycle" vary from > country to country. Is a tricycle a bike? Is an electric bike still a bike? > Is a bike pulling a 3-metre trailer still a

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-08 Thread johnw
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > >> > printing - copyshop? >> if they don't offer "copying"? Copyshop would seem wrong in these cases. > > There is a clear difference in a shop that provides copiers > and maybe some laser printers, compared to the

Re: [Tagging] new access value

2015-10-08 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Oct 08, 2015 at 03:52:08PM +0200, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > On 08.10.2015 14:59, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > You dont get it dont you? > > This quarrel is pointless. Contribute something useful, or get a life. > Shortening a response to not contain the content and then complaining about

Re: [Tagging] new access value

2015-10-08 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Wed, Oct 07, 2015 at 08:41:35PM +0200, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > > > If you include them? What would be the legal sign? I know > > of none. You can put up signs which say - "Redheads only on > > mondays" but thats nothing OSM could or should follow. > > There are no redheads signs, because

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-08 Thread johnw
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Some 'shops' also do repair, servicing of the things they sell. Bicycles has > already been equipped with tags for that, > and I'd think the sub tags should allow for it too... > > For example > > sells:hobby:train=yes

Re: [Tagging] new access value

2015-10-08 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Lauri Kytömaa wrote: > motor_vehicle=destination > + destination:limited=Anreinerverkehr > (latter would apply to whatever mode has =destination) > + destination:limited:something=Johannesbach fishing resort > when not obvious and when

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-08 Thread John Willis
Javbw On Oct 8, 2015, at 4:40 AM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: >> Similar to shop=craft. > > Do you know what hobby this is about? Almost everything can be a hobby. I belive it is about some form of scale model building or small scale electric things (trains rc cars, planes).

Re: [Tagging] new access value

2015-10-08 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 08.10.2015 16:05, Marc Gemis wrote: > Just as your new value. That is not documented neither. A new value or a new > key, both have to be documented and implemented. A new tag value fits more into an existing tagging scheme than a new key. Some applications (such as even the standard